BRC 1976 - Under Pressure [E8-Q]

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1028

Not sure I see 7 races out of 8 being wet, though. Norisring is dry. Mainz-Finthen and Kassel-Calden are dry enough that you’re unlikely to swap away from slicks.

And Spa… Well, if the weather forecast is to be believed there is going to be a teeny bit of rain starting before the sixty minute mark. If your car does the flying lap in about 4 minutes, then you’ll be finishing… just around the sixty minute mark.

So I see 4 wet races out of 8, which is sort of high, but gives you a way to interact with the racing season in a meaningful way as it goes on. I think that’s all good, so long as we can lock the strategy options down tight enough that the up-and-down won’t cause people to rattle in and out of pits every ten minutes and screw their time.

1029

All it does, is making the races a lottery.
If you mean that by “spicing it up”. For me that is frustrating.
Just like last time.

All i want is one fucking dry race without crashes. So we could actually compare cars instead of luck.
Because getting crashed by someone and have redundant pitstops due to rain fluctuation has NOTHING to do with building cars.

EDIT: BRC 66 had races all the time with 20 cars getting over 100dmg each and half the field took damage?

1030

since when a race is not a lottery exactly?
afaik, a race is always a lottery, and all we can do is just try our best to increase the possibility of us ‘winning’, or at least, not ‘losing’. both in brobot, and irl.

and if you don’t like the ‘rain’, you’re gonna hate the ‘driver fatigue’ feature this season. it’s just gonna make things ‘worse’

1031

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that’s your opinion, i got a different one.
‘driver fatigue’ is based on how bad the car drives.
rain and crashes are based on nothing.

1032

I just want to say I also like the weather system, although, if we wanted more realism than the race should be stopped, or at least under caution with pace car out if the rain passes something like 60%. Maybe in more modern season this could be implemented as a safety regulation, making a rolling restart after the rain subsides a big deal as well as positioning before the yellow comes out. Just my thoughts.

The weather is a nice realism element that you CAN plan for, which means it is not pure chance for hurting you, but rather a calculated risk which you adjust for with the tire setup in BROBOT.

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1033

This. This is true.

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1035

What you just did is suggest some of the things that ruin modern motorsports. I am deeply against these ideas.

About the rain discussion, my view is simple. Der Bayer can do what he wants to do, if he wants rain, so be it. Rain comes and goes and varies intensity wildly in real life as well. Sure, usually in european races a maximum of 25% of the events would have rain, but I like it. Rain makes things exciting by bringing the unexpected, because of that Bernie Ecclestone famously suggested that he wanted to add sprinklers to all f1 tracks, so all races would be wet.
Der Bayer just took that idea and added it to an universe he can control, trying to bring the same excitement to our race.

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1036

Bernie Ecclestone famously suggested that he wanted to add sprinklers to all f1 tracks, so all races would be wet

Wait, what!?

1037

Yep! Mad ol’ Bernie. I think it could be fun. But, you’d lose the outright speed part of racing, but perhaps Der_Bayer had that in mind, so that slower cars were more equal to the 290+kmh machines racing this year and hence balancing the field…
…or maybe I’m going off on a tangent :stuck_out_tongue:

1038

Modern F1 tyres are pretty terrible because they decided to try and have every dry race feel like the 2011 Canada grand prix.

It was a very wet race that had a two hour red flag but saw Jenson Button go from position 21, dead last, to take the win.

1039

Let’s avoid comparing the BRC to F1. It’s not F1. It’s BRC.

Look, some of the suggestions being made are just, ridiculously complicated. Just, imagine the graph is a pre-race weather forecast, then use it to plan your strategy.

I feel like there are two separate issue here, first, chance, second, rain.

As for chance, season one of BRC didn’t have any of this, it was very much based on the cars lap time. And it was pretty shit. Like, I liked it, because I did well. So every race was a blast for me. But what about the guy in 20th? Every single race, 0 hope of moving up. That’s just, really shit.

The format we have now means that it can actually be exciting for everyone as sure, it’s an outside chance, but everyone has an opportunity to place well. Or better than expected anyway. Which makes it exciting. Is it random? No. The events are related to the car you design. In real life, you don’t get to have clean races without shit happening. My mate, who races karts, once missed an entire weekend because he’d forgotten to take the rag out of the exhaust before he started his kart, so it got sucked in. That’s what chance simulates. Things that happen.

Is it realistic?
Well, I think that is a silly question. It’s a game, there is a billion things not realistic. If you want less rain, I get that, but I think it’s better to pm such a concern or bring it up in IRC. Because, well, what was a really awesome thread has been turned into a pile of arse.

If you want to compare cars without rain, crashes or other things connected to chance, just share your ATT time. Mine is sub 2:08. Can you beat it? No? ok, I win. We can all go home.

But that’s boring, that’s why we love BRC in the first place, because there’s so much more to it.

Let’s move back to talking about the upcoming test. I think it’s more interesting. Sorry for the long post.

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1040

I hope to see my car much closer to @NormanVauxhall after the changes I made for the first strategy test. Or else I would be letting my RP buddy get too far ahead of me.

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1041

a very nice subtle brag. real subtle :stuck_out_tongue:
i almost missed that.

i have a feeling that i’m gonna start in 5th or in 6th, but drop down to 15th in about 10 laps though. my car is in no way consistent, so i’m really curious about the test now… why can’t days go by sooner???
or, maybe not…

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1042

Indeed I had the game balance in mind when setting up the season. With no rain I would have had to make the rules more strict, making turbo cars heavier, increase the weight per capacity exponent etc.
And regarding driver errors and crashes: number and severity of both have been decreased already before this discussion came up.

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1043

I would hope that the drivability/difficulty of the car greatly affects the chance for and the severity of driving errors. Seasoned with a dash of the pressure system.

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1044

to be honest about rain, why not released the weather prediction one day before qualification and race? it would be more exiciting. also i prefer old weather prediction where basically you dont know how long the rain will be though current prediction accuracy is unknown.

i know the frequent rain is added for challenge, but random race where you dont know what gonna happen is more challenging.

1045

One day before is very bad for people who don’t look here each day. And it is bad because we don’t have a fixed race schedule so you don’t know when you have to adjust your strategy. And people would complain if there is more or less rain throughout the season than they expected.

With revealing everything beforehand everyone knows what is coming and build the car according to that.

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1046

You would, having a sub-1 difficulty car :slight_smile: .

Based on the pre season tests I would guess that the chance is affected by difficulty, but not the severity. And the chance is not affected that much which is why I went with the high risk high reward option.

Also, knowing forecasts from the start is good.

1047

Well, i didnt even watch the last BRC Races, since they are just frustrating.
Only reason i participated in BRC76 is the building process and the pre season tests (oh look, no rain and no crashes)
I’m pretty sure i’ll skip the races again.

Bullshit.

  • Engine Reliability
  • Driver Fatigue
  • Driver Errors
  • Fuel Consumption
  • Tire Wear
  • Pitstop Planning

Would all come down to how the car was designed.
Just because your car is the fastest, doesnt mean anything if you have 4 Pitstops and horrible laptimes after the 3rd flying lap.

1048

I find BRC very entertaining. And a key part of that are the random conditions, errors, crashes,… In 100% dry you could, apart from the reliability and errors, calculate the outcome of the race with no problem. That’s no fun. But gambling with the strategy in changing conditions and hoping your engine won’t blow up in the last 5 minutes is.

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