Cars that you oddly like (and dislike)

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I think another factor is that Hyundai and most third world auto manufacturers besides Smart stopped buying Mitsubishi engines en masse about 10 years ago. That didn’t really help their economy.

Interesting thread… I do have a few opinions that go against the norm or otherwise stand out.

Likes

  • All pre-Renault Nissans and Datsuns; especially Skylines, Silvias, and Altimas. I also have a fondness for the Patrol/Safari. Special mention to the Nissan Skyline R32 GTR; I consider this to be the best car ever built by all factors. It had performance superior to most “supercars” of the era, while it was still perfectly suited to being a daily driver, with usable space and excellent reliability and drivability, with reasonable comfort. It wasn’t exactly inexpensive at 65K usd, but it was still attainable, unlike other cars in its performance class which cost around twice as much, and couldn’t be used as a “regular” car.

  • Mercedes GLA. Normally I hate all crossovers and non off-road capable SUVs… but something about the GLA appeals to me for whatever reason.

  • Mercedes W201. One of the very few German cars I like… and I genuinely adore the W201.

  • Volvo C30. “Dat ass”.

  • 3rd generation Kia Optima. I find her to be the most beautiful sedan ever designed; especially in white.

  • 1st generation Skoda Octavia. I know it’s just a Jetta… but she’s certainly more attractive than a Jetta. I’ve always found her to be a very elegant car.

  • UAZ-452… the “Loaf”. It’s soooo cute >.< … and has serious offroad capabilities.

  • All cab-over vans. Purely aesthetics… they all look so cute to me; with the UAZ-452 being the cutest.

  • Subaru WRXs. I’d like them to be more reliable and have better build-quality… but you can’t really beat its car-per-dollar ratio. I like them more in theory than in practice though.

  • Porsche 944. The only production Porsche I’ll ever like. The engine was on the correct end of the car, it was relatively affordable, beautiful, and over-all a good car.

  • AMC Pacer and Gremlin. Everyone seems to find them ugly… I think they’re cute. I do agree though that the Pacer wasn’t a good car.

  • 2/3 door wagons and hatchbacks… specifically the longer ones. Examples includ the 1990 VW Parati, and Nissan Lucino Hatch / Pulsar.

  • Citroen DS3; especially the rally versions.

  • Maserati Ghibli II GT from the mid-90’s. Not the car that comes to mind when you hear Maserati; but I adore how it looks.

Dislikes

  • New cars; meaning cars designed in this millennium. I understand they are as bad as they are because of the ever tightening regulations on all fronts… but that doesn’t make it better for me.

  • SUVs that aren’t off-road capable. I just don’t understand the point. If you want comfort, get a luxury car. If you want space along with comfort, get a minivan. If you’re worried about snow, get a Subaru WRX that at least has a limited-slip differential. Your semi-bullshit “AWD” in a Honda CRV won’t do anything for you without an LSD. You’ll have more sucess with RWD sports car and an LSD than an AWD “SUV” without one in snow.

  • Porsche. So many years… and they still can’t figure out that they’ve been putting the engine in the wrong place all this time.

  • Bugatti Veyron. I hate everything about this disgusting vehicle. It is the epitome of excess, and is absolutely useless as a vehicle. I also find it hideous and obese. Its top speed means nothing because there isn’t a single place in the world where an owner of one can reach said top speed. All those special runways are closed to the public… so what’s the point? apparently to be a poser. Nissan GTRs own Veyrons on the track and cost 1/10th of the price. I do like the flip-up air-brake spoiler though… have to give credit there; though it wasn’t the first car to employ such a thing.

  • Most “supercars”. Yes, Lamborghinis are very aesthetically attractive, but they are very overpriced and tend to be owned by people I’d rather not associate myself with. I’ll grant Lamborghini a waiver because I find most of them uniquely beautiful… so mostly it’s Ferrari and Bugatti, who bug me.

  • Ferraris after the late 60’s. Especially the F50. Those nostrils look so grotesque.

  • Honda NSX. Almost twice the price as a Skyline R32 GTR, half the performance, and an eighth of the practicality. Sudden and violent snap-oversteer doesn’t rate as “good handling” in my book either.

  • 7th generation Toyota Celica. Celicas were never pretty after the 3rd generation… but the 7th gen looked extremely grotesque to me. The 6th gens were really ugly too, but I can’t knock them because of their effectiveness in rally. They were good cars.

  • Newer Audis. I just don’t see why people like them. In the 80’s, certainly… but now they’re nothing but dressed-up Jettas for twice the price.

  • 1st generation Chevrolet C/K pick-up from the 60’s. That wierd twin-hull design is a unique kind of ugly for my eyes. After that was removed in the 2nd generation, they were fairly good looking trucks.

  • Pop-up headlights. Even though they came on one of my favorite cars… I still hate them. To me, they are air-brakes. If I ever own a 240SX, I will disable them the first day I own the car, or remove them completely when a set of stationary headlights gets shipped to me via Next Day Air Mail.

  • Anything with a Continuously Variable Transmission. I’ve had the displeasure of being in two different generations of Altimas with CVTs. I loathe those things. I don’t understand what it’s doing… and I have a feeling the car doesn’t understand what it’s doing either. Engine speed jumps around seemingly randomly, even under a constant throttle position. Really a WTF moment when it does that. I much prefer an old 4-speed automatic to this abomination. The Jatco units in older Altimas were excellent automatics with coherent shift algorithms.

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I always thought if you chopped the top of a Pacer by a few inches it would look pretty cool. I generally don’t care for the idea of a chop top, but the Pacer I think would make an exception. If I had the material capital required, I would make a home grown sports car out of one of those. Or cram a Viper V10 into a Gremlin, much to the chagrin of anyone in a drag race.

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Lack of motorsports isn’t what killed them, it’s their complete disregard for what people actually want.

Mazda doesn’t officially race much these days but they still have a loyal fanbase that they cater to, not to mention making actually good economy cars that an enthusiast would own.

Mitsubishi fails to understand that without the Evo, they have zero redeeming cars whatsoever. It’s not difficult you know to get it back. Evo the Outlander and Mirage and wham instant enthusiast cred.

Also on the topic of Skylines and Supras，I have no idea why they’re considered the pinnacle of japanese sports cars when a 3000GT VR4 can already give them lots of trouble. An FD RX-7 is easily quicker than all of them and cheaper by a substantial margin and actually about as reliable discounting the Supra and NSX.

@KA24DE Funny you call the Veyron overweight then mention the GTR which is just as.

If you don’t mind we can have a debate whether or not a Veyron is good car, as I’ve grown to appreciate over time after hating it so much for a while. Mostly cause the hate shifted to Kseggs.

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Cars I oddly like:

Hyundai Veloster Turbo- one door on one side, two doors on the other pretty much sums it up. Not quite sports coupe, not quite hot hatch. Not quite fast either. But it started out quirky and defiant and is now quite the staple having created a new “compact crossover” segment, one crossover segment I don’t dislike.

Mitsubishi 3000GT- it was ridiculous in the 90s and even more dated today, plus generally most of them already fell apart. And it’s a fat bus compared to, say, the RX7, and I normally hate fat buses, but this one, I really like for its outlandishness. And the fact that the VR4 was genuinely fast.

Dodge Challenger (2008 onwards)- I’m quite public about disliking overweight fuel guzzlers with questionable driving ergonomics in general, a description that fits most high-end Mercedes models and American Muscle to a tee, but the moment I saw the 3rd gen Challenger, I said to myself “I want one.” The sheer appeal of it overrode every rational thought I had about them.

Koeniggsegg- I keep swinging back and forth on this brand. I dislike their styling. I like that they manage to achieve the ridiculous using unorthodox approaches (improved output and fuel economy using bioethanol? Sure!) My impression is that the build quality of their trim and finish is subpar. I’m astounded at just how much innovation they can cram over a short period of time (after 7 years from inception to first working prototype, within the space of half a decade they introduced CF wheels, 3d printed a variable geometry turbo, made a 1hp:1kg car actually streetable, if the reviews are to be believed, made an ultra ridiculous electric car, what next???) Overall despite the shortfalls of their business model and the financial peril they seem to constantly teeter over, I do hope they continue to keep going and shaking things up.

Cars I oddly dislike:

Nissan GT-R- Actually I don’t dislike the car. I like it. A lot. But I no longer like it nearly as much as the hype suggested I should, because, as some say, it’s pretty much a bus, therefore, what it achieves is really despite the fact it is a bus. I hear the engineers at Nissan made the car the weight it was for the tyres they used to have appropriate amounts of loading and friction, which I understand, but somehow still remain unconvinced. Maybe Jezza put his neck out driving one because he’s getting old.

Tesla- This is odd because I just praised Koeniggsegg for their trailblazing innovation, and one could argue that Elon Musk is the leader in blazing an aggressive path of putting a firecracker up the arse of the petrochemical-reliant motor industry. Have loads of money, generate hype, make sexy, better-than-yours products, announce grand plans for world domination. But there’s two chief problems with the results: 1) people who buy into your vision and tout your brand turn out to be incredibly annoying douchebags (read: the majority of Tesla owners) 2) vagaries not examined due to hype are exploited and result in said douchebags being irresponsible with your trailblazing innovations, like “self-driving cars”, oh wait, they’re not self-driving? I didn’t see anybody correcting this alleged misconception until people started dying while relying on this technology. Basically, Tesla gets a cross from me on that one because irresponsibility, regardless of who’s perpetrating it, currently outweighs progress, and that cross is all the bigger because when I raised these concerns, Tesla fans were rather dismissive, crowing that the age of the driver was over. None of them are particularly forthcoming with admitting mistakes, either, and that’s part of the brand image.

Volkswagen Golf- It’s a good car, and an industry benchmark. Transmission issues from early generations have been ironed out. The GTi version is nearly twice as powerful as my Civic and almost as fuel efficient. I feel that the petrol side of things got an unfairly bad rap after Dieselgate, because some people dislike the brand image due to the perceived demographic that buys VW as being either “holier than thou” or “hipper than thou”. Me, I just oddly dislike them because they’re too popular, because I’m the real hipster like that :joy:

Ferrari California- At least Ferrari haven’t gone the way of Maserati (the latest in a long line of prestige sellouts), and made a fucking SUV. But this rebadging exercise smacked of a sellout all the same. I always thought Ferrari was a wanker brand because of their ludicrous demands that you demonstrate loyalty to them before they let you into their fancier cars, and their ethos that no, you didn’t know best, they’d decide what kind of car to build and you can suck their dick for the privilege of driving it. Wanker or not, that worked, because damn, those cars didn’t compromise. But a car that was obviously built to satisfy the well-cashed masses in an overseas market? Bitch please.

Now, where do I stand on the Bugatti Veyron? Quite neutral, actually. It’s a car that will remain utterly irrelevant to my own life, as I am highly unlikely to ever be able to afford one, and even if I could, I would never want to buy one. For what it is, and what it represents, I don’t like it. But for what it is and what it represents in terms of car history, it is and will remain a monument of that decade, and I like it for that, because it heralded a return to the pursuit of madness, which I know is unnecessary and sometimes dangerous but nonetheless something I paradoxically welcome.

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I’ll weigh in on this one, I think.

Cars I like:

Hyundai Elantra and Sonata: Okay, I’m listing these two together, even though they’re very different cars, because I have a particular fondness for one and I drive the other. I’ve always liked the Sonata, maybe not always in design, but for the bold approach to the mid-size market. Sure, it’s not the greatest car in the world, but here’s an affordable midsize when everyone else is trying to squeeze blood from a stone for a compact. As for the Elantra, my 2005 isn’t exactly the pinnacle of reliability, but then again, the repairs I’ve had to do are stupidly cheap and supposedly fairly common to a 10 year old car with a transverse mounted engine. Sure, it’s blown a dirty great hole in the flexible pipe from the exhaust once, and I’ve had to replace the muffler, and yeah, the alloy wheels slowly leak air, but these are all little things in the grand scheme of things. I don’t have ignition problems (like certain Chevy cars I’ve heard about), and the parts I’ve had to replace haven’t cost me a whole lot, either. Sure, the modern Elantra’s design scheme looks a little odd to me, but they’re still the affordable large-compact car.

Subaru: Yeah, I’ll list a whole company for a good reason: AWD. Yeah, they’re expensive compared to a comparable car/crossover/SUV, but there’s a damn good reason, and it’s because they’ve been doing AWD for a stupidly long time now. And they’re damn good at it. Now, sure, for a grand majority of people, AWD is just another gimmick. However, if you live where you get snow, you can’t really beat an AWD vehicle. Sure, there’s something to be said about FWD or RWD and knowing how to drive it, but AWD makes it easy.

Tesla: They’re on my good list for two reasons. One, they’ve got people talking about electric cars and how to improve them. Two, they’re showing the world that electric cars don’t have to be tiny little bubble-car shit-boxes that go 30 miles and then need to suck a power cord for 16 hours, with a top speed of 20 MPH.

Volkswagen Beetle (Old): Yep, I like the old Beetle, with the engine in the back. I’m not entirely sure why, but, I suppose part of it is just the iconic design. I suppose reliability and ease of getting parts kinda also plays into that, as well as just how much can be done with the Bug. I’ve always found them to be cool cars.

Mazda RX3: I’ll admit, I’ve got a soft spot for the Wankel Engine. Sure, it’s stupidly unreliable if beaten to death by people who don’t understand how to drive it, and sure, the emissions and gas mileage suck, but it’s just such a cool engine. As for the RX3 and my like of it over the RX7… The RX7 may have been the faster car, but that’s what I think was the downfall of it. I’ve seen people ruin the RX7 with body kits, stupid wings, those fucking xenon bulbs, and you hear them everywhere for about half a year, and the noise of the rotary is suddenly gone. The RX3 is just a simple, not-overly-flashy rotary-engined car, with the same engine that makes the same awesome noise, and doesn’t get beaten on by stupid people.

80’s Diesel Mercedes: Okay, these are just cool cars to me. They’re normal by today’s standards, except for their fuel supply, and the cars are just that iconic 80’s design. If I had to own an 80’s car, I’d want the Mercedes.

Chevy Volt: I know, time for the controversy about liking a Hybrid. Except I think GM mostly did it right. “Let’s make our hybrid a lot closer to a pure-electric battery car, but we’ll put this engine in here as a power-generation unit that, in dire need, can drive the main axle if the battery is depleted.” The only thing I think they really did wrong with the Volt is to use a gasoline engine instead of the more power-dense diesel that’d probably do a lot better for generating electricity. If the technology is good enough for a train… Why not use it?

Minivans: I’ll admit, I’m a guy who likes minivans. Why? Cargo space, passenger capacity, easy loading, and the sliding rear doors. Suddenly, you have a vehicle that’s suited for the future ahead of you. Moving day? Load up the minivan with the seats folded flat. Friends to the latest sporting event? Load up the seats. Got kids? Sliding doors mean you’re not calling the insurance company on yourself because Little Johnny kicked the door open and dented that Mercedes you parked next to. You’ve got a new car, but John’s become a teenager asking for a car for his birthday? Minivan, a Teenager’s Worst Enemy, guaranteed to be the least cool car in the parking lot until he realizes he can save the day by driving himself and 6 or 7 friends to the party at once.

Cars I Don’t Like:

Ferrari: Part of me wants to like Ferrari, but I just can’t. They’ve got high-revving V8/V12 engines, they played with turbos, they’ve built stupid fast cars… But they’re all so… boring. And stupidly expensive for what you got.

Tesla: “Wait a minute, Mad, you mentioned these guys in the Like category already!” Yeah, I did. That doesn’t mean I agree with everything they do. Rather than trying to innovate down, they’re spending too much time trying to stuff too much shit in their cars, then trying to wash their hands of it when it’s used the way it was described. Yes, I’m talking about the Autopilot. “Self driving” it is not, and so using Autopilot as the name immediately brings to mind the iconic ‘car of the future’ where you push a button, lean back, relax, and travel to your destination, like the cars in I, Robot. Except instead, all ‘autopilot’ really does is combine two good technologies into one: Adaptive Cruise Control and Lane-Keeping Assistance. Another problem I have with Tesla, as I said, is their failure to innovate down. They made the Model S, with the stupid high price tag as a luxury car with a battery. They made the Model X, with the stupidly high price tag as a luxury crossover with a battery and gimmicky doors. They’ve made the Model 3, which is supposed to be their ‘cheap’ car, but they’re failing to consider it’s still out of the price range of most people, and those who can afford it are looking at the Mercedes next to it and drooling.

Ass-U-V’s: Yes, I mean SUV’s. Always driven by an asshole, the windows are tinted just dark enough not to be able to see cars through them, and they always, always, always fucking pull in front of you while you’re looking left to see if it’s safe to turn right, so you can’t see traffic, and traffic can’t see you. Plus, most people driving around in these tiny-penis-mobiles are just one person, not a family, and while I can’t complain too much on that regard in single-car households, I’ve seen plenty of places with two SUV’s parked in the garage and a third in the driveway. Even worse is they’re inherantly less safe than most other cars on the road, because any type of swerve (common defensive driving tactic) could lead to rolling the damn thing over. Plus, 99% of the stupid things never go off road.

Ford Raptor: the epitome of American Excess. Here’s a luxury truck with a factory-installed off-road-lift-kit and a stupid price tag. If you wanted the ‘luxury truck’, buy the King Ranch or whatever-the-fuck they’re calling it, where you get all the luxury trim. If you want an off-road truck, buy the cheapest piece of shit with 4x4 you can, and install your own lift kit for half the extra price. If you want to look like a massive cock in your tiny-penis-compensation-mobile, buy a Ford Raptor that you’ll never drive off-road because that might scratch the paint or break something.

Hypercars, and Supercars in general: Nothing says “Moron” to me quite as fast as someone trying to drive something mid-engined and high-horsepower on the street. They get shitty gas mileage, they can’t use the power anywhere, and in the hands of the average driver, they’re a death trap for whoever they hit at 120 MPH while trying to get a selfie on the highway.

Toyota Prius: Among friends, it’s often called the Toyota Penis. This is entirely because you’d have to be a massive cock to drive one, based on how many people we’ve seen acting entitled at the wheel. The ultimate car for turning smog into smug, while thinking it’s earned them any extra benefits. Nope. You still burn gas, you still pollute, the batteries are awful for the environment, and your car looks like someone already rear-ended it. Several times. With a truck.

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Hmm, some cars I oddly like.

  • The Volvo V40. Absolutely love it in Raw Copper Metallic, so lovable.
  • The Lada!
  • Abarth 695 Biposto. Sounds ferocious, cute as hell. Would buy 10/10
  • BMW 1M. One of my dream cars, it’s hella expensive now tho :cry:
  • Lexus ISF. I just have this strange attraction to it. The quad-tailpipe jig is horrible, but I do quite like the rest of it.
  • Honda Element. Don’t even ask, even I don’t know why I like it. Same applies to the old boxy Mitsubishi Pajero.
  • Quite a few Saabs
  • I have a real soft spot for Koeniggsegg CCX-Rs
  • Nissan Leaf. Plastic covers on the rear tires makes it a cool little electric drift car. Cracking good value too, now cheaper than a Golf and more powerful.

Dislikes:

  • Mazda Miata. I have a love/hate relationship with it. It’s cute, capable, and cheap but the drivers often give way to a negative stereotype. Also, really not that unique.
  • Honda Integra. Just don’t.
  • Almost all new Lexuses except the LC and the LFA.
  • Toyota Supra. Severely overrated and overhyped and too many people gush about it. Maybe it’s my non-conformism that kills any love for it.
  • Hennessey. Maybe this one is because I’m a hardcore 'Segg fan.
  • Tesla. I don’t like the brand itself and especially not the way they are handling things off-late. Don’t get me wrong, Musk is a cool dude and a visionary and all, but I’m not even sure electric carsr are the way forward. In any case, Musk, stop trying to fucking sell solar panels to people.
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Yes. Can we post multiple entries?

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What I oddly like:

Kei Cars - they’re small, economical and when you make a sporty version of one it becomes a insane little pocket rocket

Vauxhall Astra F GSI - the only good looking version of the Astra F, although the it makes me think of Skoda when I look at it

Jeep Renegade - I like it because it is a very quirky looking car, the funny looking front and the strange proportions make this an interesting but cool little crossover

Pontiac Aztek - because Walter White

SAAB 9-3 - I like saabs because they are sensible and grown up, but if you find yourself with the aero model then your inner child will take over and make you push on that accelerator pedal

SEAT Leon Mk1 - totally not biased here but I love my Leon, it may be slow and it may be pretty boring to look at but it is nice how SEAT pretty much made the whole range a great handling car

Alfa Romeo Alfasud - rust everywhere but when one isn’t rusting and leaking oil all over your garage it can bring a big smile to any Alfa enthusiast, the best bit is they are still relatively cheap

NSU Prinz - what’s there not to like about this mini Corvair, you set one up properly and you have a cracking little rally car

Volvo XC90 - the SUV to beat all SUV’s, the one 4x4 that went from average looking to looking like something the mafia would buy, damn it looks good and a 5 star rating on safety, I also forgot to mention the twin turbo V8

Cars I oddly dislike:

Most newer Lamborghinis - yes I am know to be a bit more leaned towards Ferrari, but Lamborghini’s are just boring, their entire range looks almost the same (excluding the special limited production cars) and they just don’t appeal to me, maybe it was the full looking Huracans fault

The Land Rover Defender - I like the old series Land Rovers because they were basic and built to be very utilitarian, but the Detender became a ‘luxury’ vehicle with an extortionate price rage while still looking like it fell from the 90’s from some old farmers barn

Late British Leyland cars - I know they have a special place in some people’s hearts, but the later BL cars were just plain old boxes of shit that haven’t been changed since they got released in the late 60’s, the Austin Allegro is a prime example, don’t get me wrong some good’ish cars came from BL like the Rover SD1 V8

The Smart car - you all understand why right?

That’s all I can think of now, this list is making me late for work

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It’s turning into a thread of favorite cars and most hated cars huh?

I guess I should update my entries:

Likes
1- Veyron - Everyone says that it’s a fat pig, it’s useless on a daily basis, it’s a fuel hog, it’s ugly and it’s poor engineering. 1. Is true, but it’s still agile for a 1900 KG car on road tires. 2. is completely wrong because one of it’s main selling points is that all of the HP doesn’t make it into a homicidal maniac unlike most hypercars 3. Is true, but what 1200 hp cars are gas sippers that aren’t electric and 4. is just wrong. It is much easier to turbocharge a V8 to 1360 hp than it is to even make a W12, much less make it useable everyday. Turbocharging IMO has rendered displacement, cylinders, and what not irrelevant when it comes to power figures.

2- Venom - Macho machine aside, it’s really not as simple as shoving an LS into a Lotus. Is it a complete rip-off? Yes. Without a doubt. But a Saleen S7 is essentially a race car chassis with a modular V8 and built by someone just as shady but no one cares, S7 is still a legend to most people. Also people are quick to assume that it wouldn’t handle well just cause it has 1200 hp. How do you know? It has TCS, PS2 tires, active aerodynamics and it weighs under 3000 pounds.

3- F50 - It’s rarer than a F40. Sure it’s not prettier than a F40, but people are claiming how the F40 is the purest Ferrari to drive and what not, but are the same people who claim turbos just aren’t as good as NA engines when it comes to response and thus ruin the driving. The F50 has a better, if not just as good chassis set up as the F40, and an NA engine. How is it not a pure driving experience? The F40 is the definition of turbo lag according to period reviews.

4- Celica GT-S - Supposedly a ricer’s favorite, I’ve heard they’re really peppy in GT-S trim.

5- MR2 Spyder - 2zz swap isn’t too hard, and that’s supposedly one of Toyota’s best I4 engines.

6- 3G Eclipse - Got no justification

7- SLR Mclaren - Unfairly labeled as poor handling and slow, 50:50 weight distribution, 630 hp and active aero does not make a slow car. In fact the fact that it’s not too far behind the CGT with 400 kg more, an automatic transmission, simple suspension should be impressive.

Dislikes

1- Hoooo boy, here we go. See what I really hate in top level hypercars is when you just add more and more numbers and figures to try and make them the fastest. That’s what makes them soulless. The Venom, Veyron, Aero, all are. No soul. Just stick add more and more HP. I respect Koenigsegg’s attempts at making environmentally friendly performance and their innovations in many fields, but I feel like none of that filters down to the road car. Just a blob of the best stuff you can throw in a car. The One:1’s single point is that it has lots of HP and little weight, yet when Segg does it, it’s revolutionary and instantly a super track machine, but when Hennessey or Bugatti do it it’s excess and useless on the road.

2- P1 - Hatred of their styling aside, the P1 has just been horribly upstaged by the 918 in almost every track they’ve been to. IDK what Mclaren’s problem is, considering it has a superior power to weight ratio and aerodynamics and r compound tires. Maybe my favoritism of the LaFerrari has caused me to dislike so much.

3- EK9 Type R - Stancenation and Hondabois pretty much ruined the car.

4- C7 Z06 - Track car with convertible and torque converter automatic. Right. Come on GM just because a 130K Vette is a tough sell doesn’t mean you have to dumb it down that much. Also the fact that it’s the main contributor to the snake’s demise ruined it somewhat.

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Holy shit it does. Now I like it as well.

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I too actually like the Cactus, but only in certain colours. That baby shit green colour is disgusting :joy:

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Dude, if this doesn’t make you like the new ACR, I don’t know what. It’s a fave of mine.

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Would this make you change your mind about the Mitsu?

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From the sound of the base car, it’s lipstick on a turd.

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I guess :laughing:

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might aswell give it a go.

Likes:
2004-2012 Chevy Colorado and it’s cousins. 3.7 liter DOHC Inline five. nuff said.

S-10 EV. whilst only around 60 still exist from factory. the fact it’s basically an EV1 with a bed appeals to me as the closest you can get to a lost car.

current generation Chevy Caprice. poor man’s Chevy SS of the near future

Dislikes:

i dislike very few cars that are loved by others (somehow people absolutely love the Aztek, so i’m just listing that as exception) however, number one would realy have to be the V6 mustang. when the inline four version of the car has better performance, you know you’ve got a problem, yet many refuse and yet get the V6 model when too poor for the V8

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