Wow, pretty cut-throat competition this time around. I haven’t looked through all price overviews but a lot of people wouldn’t make money at any price point, pricing changes kind of skewed market towards winner-takes-all kind of competition, you really gotta bring your A game if you want to make profit. Well fine by me . I’m a bit surprised in the end my pricing turned out so well, missed sweet spot just by 2k.
Der_Bayer how about mid 90s for next competition? I’d like to build something with VVL .
@PMP1337 TBH outside of sportiness your car had pretty low stats for 20k price. Well I still think minimum standards would be good idea. Car with 0 sportiness probably shouldn’t be number one seller in hot-hatch segment, then again 6 comfort is probably too little as well.
The next challenge will indeed be in the modern times.
Regarding the sales calculation model and hard limits: The problem is not the model itself. It’s the cars you build. Hard limits would have to be rebalanced for every challenge (because modern cars always have some sportiness and old ones often don’t and everything changes over the years). I like to keep it on a relative basis. More flexible, less work. In next challenge I can assure you that no 0 sportiness cars will be first in the hot hatch category.
Dang… I’m making losses again. At least it isn’t as bad as in the first challenge. There must be something that escapes me… maybe I should try to make a more market group focused car rather than making knock-offs of real cars (CRC #1 was a AW11 MR2 rip-off and CRC #2 a Skyline 2000 gt-b rip-off).
edit: CTC#1 was a Honda CRX for me… which *would *have been profitable had I built a smaller factory, and priced it in modern dollars. CTC#2 was a Monteverdi/Maserati mash-up.
Well it looks like I dramatically over invested in the factory. I did get pretty close on what my optimum price should have been though, so that is something. I guess my Easter Block business model of building one crappy vehicle for everyone doesn’t really translate to a competitive market.
I suspect that the tycoon portion of the game is going to be the hardest for me to wrap my head around if it is anything like these challenges.
Thanks for doing the work to run these challenges Der Bayer.
Well, I do not think a more market group focused car would work in my case. Had I focused on one group only, I don’t think I’d be able to compete with the ones who were in each of these groups (At the very least, I would not outclass them enough to make a profit.) Of course, I overestimated how many people would actually buy my car, but still, I believe Cossack 1000 TRN would fare worse both if it was more Cossack and if it was more TRN.
Very surprised I was even competitive in the supercar market, let alone that i had the biggest marketshare. I was expecting my lack of prestige to be a major problem for me, but obviously the lack of choice for the buyers helped me a lot.
Seems like I’ll have to work on my early year cars
Once again, thanks for the challenge, Bayer.
Is it possible to add more flexibility with the factories though? Especially in the niche I like to focus on typically one factory with 20 mil production units just isn’t enough, and the one with 50 mil production units is overkill. I know that you can adapt the car to it to a certain extent, but still.
i think i don’t spent enough time for my car on this 2nd challenge,just build my car on few hour without any further consideration on pricing,market target,etc(i’m a lazy bastard :d)
anyway thx to all the participant for making me find passion in this kind of game, i’m looking forward to your next challenge Der_Bayer
[quote=“8bs”]1) So in the financial sheet, in the expenses are reflected basically non-manufacturing costs (marketing, distribution, offices… right?
2) The real selling price is 85% of the price that we established. What presuppositions did you take for that? Just curious.
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Production cost is covered by that. The rest is tooling, factory cost, engineering, distribution and an R&D estimation.
One thing that is interesting is that I made my car more for the middle market (not the low end market) and yet it still out sold some of the cheaper cars in the budget category. As far as the hot hatch I like to imagine that’s because there was still a lot of room to get a lot more power out of that engine. The engine was only tuned for around 70HP to 80HP which kept RPMs low, efficiency high, and reliability high. If someone wanted to they could re-tune the engine and easily get it to 120HP+. Then you could swap out the god awful automatic gearbox with a standard and have a lot of fun. It would destroy the reliability a bit but it could be done.
[quote=“PMP1337”]What? The cars with the most marketshare on the HotHatch group have 0 sportiness!!! That’s ridiculous!
I feel cheated![/quote]
If you want to feel cheated, feel free to do so. Price is more important now (as many people wanted last time) and this made the cheaper cars more attractive. Please consider that they are less than half of your price. People can buy a different engine or tune the shit out of the car for the difference. In addition to that, sportiness is not the only factor which counts.[/quote]
First my car was 20k, their cars where 14k or something. Thats 25% percent less. But I guess people where like, “I’m looking for a sporty car but a donkey is cheaper so I’ll have that.”
So a car that is not directed anywhere near the hothatch market gets top share? Doesn’t make sense. Sportiness is worth 7. It’s the most important stat! They have 0. ZERO.
How can a hothatch have zero sportiness? Just admit that this time the math didn’t add up well. There should be minimums.
I’m not complaining for my result, I’m complaining for ALL the results on the HotHatch Group. They are wrong, don’t make sense.
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@PMP1337 TBH outside of sportiness your car had pretty low stats for 20k price. Well I still think minimum standards would be good idea. Car with 0 sportiness probably shouldn’t be number one seller in hot-hatch segment, then again 6 comfort is probably too little as well.[/quote]
Look at it the other way. My car was the 3rd in sportiness for only 20k. And in that sense It sold well in the sports groups. Except in HH. If you blocked the 0 sportiness cars I would have been 2nd, and the only car in front has 5 sportiness.
I don’t mind loosing to better cars, I mind loosing to senseless cars.
Well, price have the same wieght of sportiness… and don’t forget the running costs too. Both have a important weight on the customer behaviour. We are still in the “cheapy” hatch market.
Mine car was near a third of the price of yours. It’s a lot.
. I’m a bit surprised in the end my pricing turned out so well, missed sweet spot just by 2k.
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Hard limits would have to be rebalanced for every challenge (because modern cars always have some sportiness and old ones often don’t and everything changes over the years). I like to keep it on a relative basis. More flexible, less work. In next challenge I can assure you that no 0 sportiness cars will be first in the hot hatch category.
