First car for my son

I know, infact the limit is here only to penalize unrealistic decisions. IRL every car (pretty much) nowadays have DOHC. With 145 ET you can still make a car without compromizing. You only need to avoid carbon fibre or active aeros (or things like that); if you want CF you need to sacrifice tech somewere else.

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With CF the price would skyrocket and end up way over the budget.

Can we get some more info on how the competition is scored? E.g. whether comfort or practicality are important, or whether making the car cheaper than the target price is advantageous. Or is it up to @F17Francesco’s taste?

No, you can’t have specific information about that.
But i can tell you the judjment will be in 4 parts:

  • My fictional son will examine the sportiness, the wow effect and everithing a 18yo want from a car. Then he makes a list of eligible candidates. [In this part my personal taste will be mixed with math]
  • The father will evaluate the costs (price, economy, reliability and running costs) of the car, and the safety (safety and drivability included). [This part will be pure math]
  • The two will fight. [This part will not be violent, i hope]
  • They found a compromise and choose a car to buy. [In this part someone win, many other will loose, but i hope everyone have fun]

So, it’s up to you choose the best way. It can be to praise the son with a fun car or to praise the dad and make a supercheap and super safe car. Or maybe the best way is in the middle. I don’t know, and even if i know, i won’t tell you, that’s your part.

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I hope there’s a video of this part. :smiley:

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I guess if I could ask a question of the father or son it would be how long they would want to keep the car. Likely the power restriction would get boring for the son once he is allowed unrestricted power, and the practicality demands of a car would increase as he grows up (unless he is wealthy enough to have multiple cars), so approaching this from a realistic view would they prefer a car with good resale opportunity (e.g. a low powered practical hatchback that many people would buy rather than a low powered sports coupe with a very niche market)?

As I said earlier this car is only for the son. In family there are other cars (one or two, it’s not important).
How long do they expect to keep the car? As long as the son can buy one himself, supposedly 8 years.
They don’t tink about selling this car in a short period of time.

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I’ve noticed you can squeeze a lot into that engineering time and budget, e.g. a tiny V12 engine could be well under-budget. Should we stick to being ‘realistic’ or can we do whatever while keeping the price estimate under control?

You can do whatever you want, i’ll be realistic choosing the winner.
V12s can be charming, but i think they have more than one downside, especially because an I3 NA is more than enough to produce the power requested.

Ciao Mr. F17Francesco! :sunglasses:

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Are there any other quirks of cars in Italy that we need to be aware of? E.g. in some countries any car with a turbocharger can be more expensive the insure, regardless of power, and the same with engine capacity.

Passion. Mindfulness. Practicality.

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Presenting the 2017 Bogliq Kitten Brio!!!

Looking for a car suitable for a young driver that’s also fun to drive? Looking for a car which will turn heads but won’t trouble your wallet?

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 Well, whatchya waiting for? :wink:

Buy better, buy Bogliq

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meet Jekyll, the unofficial name the C117 is known by on internet forums and tuners circles.

With a higher than average seating height and a moderate footprint the C117 is perfect for getting around the city streets. The peppy but efficient 1.5 liter engine movesthe C117 around with a decent 34 mpg keeps the fuel prices in check. While the steel body panels are designed to be easy to repair in case of a minor fender bender helps keep insurance costs down.

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No, insurance costs depend on the power, the experience of the driver and the home region, nothing you can control.
Tax costs depend only on power and they skyrocket over 250hp. Don’t worry about it.
Petrol car (exept for sport one and very small cars) are not so popular, ialians prefer diesels (over 55%), LPG and Natural gas. Even here, nothing you can control.
Many people in italy hate automatic gearbox instead in the cities they are loved. Our family is indifferent on the subject, they evaluate both possibility.
I can not think of anything else at the moment

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At this time, 6 car in this challenge
Every car is different, every car have it’s own particularity.
Keep up to send me your creations.


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Presenting the brand new Erin Visto.

This mid-range Lex Coupe trim makes for a perfect first car. Good to drive and cheap to run, you get all of the practicality and usability you’d expect from a supermini in a smart and stylish package.

It’ll average 54 mpg, seat 5 with ease (just) and has high standards of safety - for peace of mind as a parent.

It’s yours for $15600.

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@DeusExMackia I like the slogan!

@Mikonp7 That’s a unique concept.

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Dammit! I wanted to use that body :stuck_out_tongue: well done nonetheless

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