QFC58 - A Headful of S-s-s-sugar! [DONE]

QFC58 - A Headful of S-s-s-sugar!

America had an addiction, and that addiction was octane. Then came the Seventies… and took the drug away. American sports cars became staid. Muscle cars, for all intents and purposes, died. Pony cars became punchlines. And as the average American was left navigating the five stages of grief and the twelve steps of tetraethyllead teetotalism, those with greater ways and means find a different path.

As of 1979, there’s been yet another oil crisis. Domestic and international cars alike are still choked to death, and are all fitted with those unseemly huge bumpers - even if you remove one or import a grey model, you’ll still be haunted by what your model now represents. No, as it stands there’s just one way to truly get a hit of that fast stuff: Import a supercar.

With a supercar, you enter a closed and exclusive society of pure speedheads. You will need to sacrifice your money, your expectations for some amount of technological refinement and reliability, and even your concept of ergonomics: after all, those Italians tend to prefer a much different seating position. However, they all possess a je ne sais quoi - one absent from luxury American barges or even the new wave of European compact executive cars - that is essential to attaining the ultimate automotive high.


STATEMENT OF INTENT


For this challenge, I am trying to simulate build conditions slightly more similar to those encountered by low-volume manufacturers of the 1980. Under cash-strapped and research-poor conditions, these automakers would have to compensate by charging high prices for handbuilt products. Wealthy consumers would take that hit, however, due to the dismal and regulation-battered status of the industry as a whole making mass-produced excellence difficult.

The ET restriction is unusual, as is an open price envelope and a tight techpool limit; In the couple days of rules deliberation, feedback, suggestions and mule testing are very welcome. However, I am committed to putting you in the shoes of a low-volume manufacturer here.

RULES


Game Build: Stable.

Car Model Year: 1965+.

Car Trim and Engine Variant Year: 1979.

Body: Types: Sedan, Coupe, Hatchback allowed; Hatchbacks must be of a coupe-like, liftback variety - no V8 Golfs, in other words. 3 doors maximum. If unsure about a body - ask.

Convertibles: Prohibited. We’re still in that regulator “All rollovers are fatal” mindset here.

Seat Count: At least 2 full seats.

Engineering Time: Max 100 for Engine, Max 70 for Trim.

Aspiration: Max Boost 1 bar/14.5 psi.

Fuel Type: Premium Unleaded, 90 AKI/95 RON.

Exhaust: At least a single muffler required.

Emissions Standard: WES 6 or higher.

No racing parts - including tires.

Techpool: $20M (Your value is the sum of the 2 underscored values below; keep that below $20M).

Negative values are prohibited. Note that $20M is below regular techpool.

Style Guide:

Make sure your car has lights (headlights, taillights, turn signals), wipers, side mirrors - that is, make sure it looks like a car that could exist.

You are not required to hook up every light properly with automation’s lighting feature.

Do not make the car look like something it isn’t, either via fixtures or advanced trim settings. If you lose the roof, use ATS to raise the suspension by 10 whole inches, or somehow manage to have your car only have 2 visible doors - you’re out.

The above point applies especially to making “fake” convertibles; T-tops are allowed but the spine should be believable. Again, if in doubt - ask.


PRIORITIES


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Looks

If your supercar doesn’t turn heads, is it even a supercar? You’ll win a lot of favor with a design that’s high-quality, distinctive, and aggressive.

:star::star::star:


Prestige

Recognition, respect, reverence. Those three "R"s are more central to supercars than even racing or roadholding. Like a timepiece or a mansion, your car communicates your status.

Performance

Numbers talk; a reputation confirmed by professional drivers and magazines talks. When the public sees you pass in your car and starts murmuring about what it did on this test or that track, or about which professional racer enjoys it on the weekend, you’ve bought something special.

Coherence

A 9000RPM screamer with a regular automatic and open diff. A spartan interior behind a lazy big V12. These are party fouls which the clientele will not abide by. Try to make your care a complete package; consult what actual cars of the time did. Despite this being a high priority, this is not too easy to fail, and I will not be very harsh about enforcing every little inconsistency - but take the time to think about your choices.

Comfort

Likewise in terms of accommodations - and especially for the price - most people expect some actual luxury from a car like this. This isn’t 2000 with its freakouts over car purism - “spartan” really just means broke.

Evaluated with only the front row in the interior.

:star::star:


Drivability

Most people buy supercars for clout; some have hip replacements. While you can make sacrifices for your reputation, it’s best if the car doesn’t abuse you too much.

Safety

What good are your riches if you’re not around to enjoy them? More and more, car owners are concerned about road fatalities and safety, and the rich speed junkie ones aren’t actually an exception. We’re all mortal, after all.

Purchase Price

While people who buy cars like these tend to shell out a lot of money - and, as a matter of fact, may sneer at something that costs too little - a car that costs a lot but doesn’t deliver on its promises will fare poorer. This is what separates “the waiting list was a who’s who of high society” from “this forgotten supercar just didn’t attract enough attention” in the history books.

Sportiness

While gobs of power and grippy rubber on their own are probably more important, a car that’s nice to drive on your resident canyon road will be better regarded than something that’s a veritable chore to drive near the limit. Just ask the people 45 years into the future pretending they like their new 5700-pound M5.

:star:


Running Costs

Even a macho pretending “he don’t want no fuel economy” has to admit at some point that the piling-up bills don’t feel good. Classic muscle cars run cheap now, and for good reason. To add to that, all of the new systems in cars are making maintenance ever harder, as are the fancy new types of tires.

Reliability

Speaking of maintenance: Standards are also rising for how often your car is going to leave you stranded. Even in the strange world of handbuilt, hi-po monsters, once per season is probably too often by now.

Practicality

Believe it or not, but even people with deep pockets and irrational priorities care about being able to bring cargo and friends along. A car you can use all the time is a car you can show off all the time - and in detail, at that.



SUBMISSIONS AND DEADLINES


Submissions Open: 05/14/2025 11:59 PM CDT

Submissions Close: 05/27/2025 11:59 AM CDT

All-reviews-out Commitment: 05/30/2025 11:59 PM CDT

Extensions: None.

Name Convention: QFC58 - [yourname] as the Engine Family and Car Model name.
Engine Variant and Car Trim are free.

Submission Method: DM your .car file to me on this forum; Make a reply on this forum post with at least one picture of the car.

Resubmissions: Unlimited until the deadline, provided the same DM thread is used. Note that I will use the last resubmit - even if you introduce an illegal part that a previous resubmit didn’t have.


CHANGELOG


  • 05/13/2025
    Re-shuffled priorities: Look for price, comfort, practicality.
    Added “Coherency” metric.
    Upped trim ET to 70.
    Filled in gaps.

  • 05/26/2025
    Updated submissions window

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Why is this the latest permissible year for both when this QFC is set in 1980? In any case, I’ve got a few options cooking up in my head for this one.

And this rule set in general reminds me of what QFC14 would’ve been if it took place a few years later, on the opposite side of the Atlantic.

What about something like a Renault 5 Turbo, or a Peugeot 205 T16? Or is a homologation model not really the scope for this comp?

Definitely no targa top cabriolets either? They should probably be a separate thing in game, but as it is they are classed as cabriolets.

I would have thought in a rollover situation they would be as safe as a normal hardtop.

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Pretty sure they are either almost as, or just as, safe as a normal roof in rollover situations.

The point of the no convertible rule is to not judge convertibles, as they kind of ruin the calculus of a challenge with the adjustments their stats need to be realistic and competitive. Simple as. The “American politicians hate convertibles” thing is just an excuse.

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Is cutting the roof off of a coupe to make a Targa allowed? Because Targas are just coupes with a removable roof panel. Of course it wouldn’t affect the actual scoring in any way

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Nope - and for good reason.

A targa lacks a connection between the front and back of its greenhouse, leaving the floor, sills and maaaybe locked doors to do all the work; this makes the chassis much more susceptible to twisting in ways it shouldn’t, and compromises safety, sportiness, comfort, noise… I could go on. I am allowing reasonable looking T-tops, because their spine fulfills close to the same role that a full roof does.

There’s a real life example that illustrates this issue: The C4 Corvette initially was designed as a T-top car. Its chassis, a hybrid between a unit body and a perimeter frame, had low sills and a reasonably stiff floor.

As soon as the design was changed - by management at the 11th hour - into a targa top, deleting the spine, everything got a lot worse. The bottom part of the frame (and thus the door sills) immediately had to be made taller, and the removable roof panel was bolted rather than latched in so that you could enhance stiffness during hard driving. Even so, the chassis was way too flexible and fragile, and by 1987 was reninforced and redesigned further in order to be on par with expectations.

Also responding to this:

Those are a bit too new for this challenge; Rally homologation special cars were still mostly coupes in the late 70s. Homologation specials are an edge case for this comp, they can work if you make them work.

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I guess a Lancia Stratos would be a great example of a “homologation special” being on par with what is asked for?

It would. If the A310 is part of this then the Stratos is definitely also in the conversation - just maybe a bit hard to adapt to the priorities. I’m not going to be terribly strict with cohesion, but I think something like a luxury interior, automatic transmission “homologation special” is pretty clearly a party foul.

are big ugly US market bumpers mandatory?

That would be a negative. While I am enforcing the US’s WES 6 to simulate that emissions were actually enforced in many places back then, I am allowing “gray market” - style exteriors in the original European mold of design. Or you could also say “the 5mph bumpers are unceremoniously dumped by the dealership immediately after shipping”.

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Well, if you look at stuff like Corvettes and Firebirds, it was pretty clear that the 5 mph bumpers could be nicely integrated too, if you just gave a rats a*s about it…

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Time to recycle a car you have never seen before I guess :roll_eyes:
1979 AUTHIÉ & DALLIER 8/26 GT 2+2




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If I understand the proposed mechanics correctly, we get the constraints of a low-volume manufacturer, but then among our highest priorities is to avoid doing the one thing such manufacturers can get away with: charging accordingly? Besides the “because we have to” and “because we can” factors, there are also Veblen Goods mechanics (“because it meaningfully adds to the appeal”) that come into play to justify house-sized pricing on these kinds of cars. Perhaps, instead, a soft cap ($150k?) and no benefit to being under it?

Are the expectations for comfort, reliability, driveability, and service costs commensurate with this class of car, or mass-market ones?

The Jalpa’s targa roof wouldn’t be legal. Countach?

If the XJS is there, how about things like 6.9 SEL and AMG?

Sedans are allowed, but apparently dispreferred?

@Knugcab Two points of authenticity in its favor: tiny airvents and a very arms-forward seating position to reach the shifter.

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Very good question; I had been waiting for somebody to notice the discrepancy of this and come knocking.

I am not encouraging a $150k build; even with the lower TP, it’s difficult to make a car too far over even $40k according to my mules. Maybe less TP and a slightly higher ET limit to compensate could work?

That being said, the four-stars in this challenge are a bit different. I was hoping to make them these “overarching” priorities that end up as a score multiplier - so if your car is all-powerful but also very expensive, the two aspects balance out; and if your car is ugly, of course it’s drastically less appealing as a result. I accept that this is probably not communicated or implemented very well, So I am actively looking for people’s input and ideas over how to improve on this aspect of the challenge.

Now, all that being the case, I still feel that the lack of cost cap means you need a strong scoring handle on price to prevent people from actually charging $200k in this game and thus unleashing a torrent of 1000hp “premature group B” bolides with whale semen for coolant. Maybe I could add a price floor…

The expectations are mostly set by the entrant pool, but yeah, I am not going to demand or reward something like $500 svc. Maybe I should add coherency as a priority or as a judging note to encourage people not to just all universally choose std mid intakes? :winking_face_with_tongue:

True, but those are visual inspirations. I may just replace it with the Stratos, I don’t know… I tried to avoid putting V12 cars into the inspo because of how universally radical and yet lumbering they all were. Plus, keeping with the theme of the round, V12 stuff was less coke addict and more coke kingpin.

Hey, go ahead. It was a cost-little-object GT, after all. You may find roleplaying as them a bit harder due to the lowvolume techpool, though…

Good catch. I will limit the door count to 3. Sedans are allowed mostly because I don’t want 2-door body pool to be limited to what is “formally” a coupe.

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My 2 cents is that even if having price as a high priority, the scale does not have to be linear. You can still make it more acceptable to go from (just taking some random numbers now) 20K to 40K than from 40K to 60K.

For price, maybe you could treat Price and Prestige as levers on the same priority level - much lower price also tanks prestige, much high price boosts prestige, so that we can try to find a sweet spot and still have an incentive to splurge.

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You may have a point. I tried a V12 test mule and found out that it could, in theory be viable, but I had to make more compromises than expected for that to be possible. Also, among the inspirations listed in the OP, the ones with more than 6 cylinders (i.e. 8 or even 12) tended not to have 4 valves per cylinder in 1979.

Submissions now open!

Submissions Close: 05/21/2025 11:59 PM CDT

All-reviews-out Commitment: 05/28/2025 11:59 PM CDT

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