I know weāve been lagging on publishing the feedback, but hey, thatās why I set this deadline well in advance. So far, we have received feedback submissions from:
@BannedByAndroid (1)
@FrederikLenius (1)
@the-chowi (2)
@Rise_Comics (1)
@DrDoomD1scord (2)
@KenShiro (1)
@Prium (1)
@randomtuner (1)
@Lazar (2)
@Portalkat42 (1)
Again, if you wanna submit, please make sure to DM us the pics. Thanks for your continued patience.
those two are besides the one youāve already done feedback on, right?
just to make sure i sent everything right.
Yes, itās not counting the one I already reviewed. You submitted one LMH and one more GT, is that right?
yep, thatās correct
Peregrine Motors Headquarters
Daytona Beach, Florida
12:36 PM, 8th February 2023
In a press event held today at their Daytona Beach headquarters, Peregrine Motors signaled their intent to enter their Peregrine VTS GT3 in the upcoming 24 Hours of Le Mans.
āWeāre excited for this opportunity,ā said VTS GT3 engine designer Janet Saginaw. āIn a way, it feels like this is a culmination for many of us. A lot of us have dreamed of the moment weād get to design a car that ran at Le Mans, and that moment is finally here. Itās a great feeling.ā
The announcement comes amid what multiple sources have deemed a highly successful debut season for the VTS GT3 in global competition. A fifth-place and a seventh-place finish in Januaryās 24 Hours of Daytona was swiftly followed up by a string of podium finishes both at home in the United States and in Europe, with the VTS also earning a pair of victories stateside.
According to the team, the differences between the VTS GT3ās standard version and its Le Mans-specific counterpart are minor, with the largest being the tires. In accordance with ACO rules, the VTSā rims and tires had to be shrunk down and slightly readjusted, which dropped the car below minimum weight. The team sensed an opportunity and added the weight back in the form of ballast, which can be repositioned to alter the carās handling.
When asked what to expect in the grueling 24-hour race in June, project lead Tom Salznik seemed optimistic. āWell we canāt say for sure, obviously; weāre not sages. But judging by how things are going so far this year, Iād say thereās a good chance weāll finish pretty high up. The carās fast for sure, and itās reliable enough to run 24 hours, but Le Mans is unpredictable. Weāll see.ā
The team also offered a few promotional images:
Our Le Mans coverage begins June 3rd. Stay tuned to the official Peregrine newsletter for more.
@chiefzach2018 went MIA 
Jokes aside, I think heās got higher priorities than a challenge for an Austro-German dealership management game, so Iām trying to pick up whatever I can before the rapidly-approaching deadline. Thanks to @SpeedyBoi for the help on this one.
Ah, weāre familiar with the Vermillion brand from the LMH challenge, where we remarked that their prospective Hypercar entry was too GT-like to be considered a proper hypercar.
Well, weāre glad to see them make a proper entry into the GT class this time around with the AV-X/Rā¦ is this some kind of TV connector?
Nope, this looks like a pretty bog-standard mid-engined GT. The front aero setup looks decent, but why are there are two distinct splitter elements stacked on top of each other like that? Also, those canards should probably be rearranged for maximum efficiency.
The switch to yellow lights is a nice touch, but proper endurance racers require a lot more lighting than the stock headlight units. A lot more.
The side profile is the most lackluster area, where it really looks like more of a GT4 than a GT3. Those overfenders do a basic job at covering a wider track width, but they could be so much more.
Around the rear, the wing is decent, but the diffuser needs to be a lot more aggressive. Also whatās the plate at the bottom for? Looks like a surefire way to block crucial downforce-generating airflow. Sticking with the Frikadelli Ferrari as an example:
That exhaust placement also looks suspiciously close to a blown wing setupā¦
Livery-wise, itās nothing remarkable. Perhaps it could use some additional elements to break up the basic colour blocking and give a more exciting look. It could definitely use some cleanup though.
TL;DR: Certainly one of the GTs of all time, but not exactly enough for a GT3.
Iāve never competed in a challenge on the forums, so I hope Iām doing this right.
Weāre honoured that this is your first ever forums challenge!
Weāre no strangers to some of your Automation creations, as weāve seen them around in the discord and in other side servers, and many of them are quite impressive.
This one is no exception, as right off the bat, this is looking like one of the best.
On first glance, this is one great looking FR GT racing machine. Iām not 100% convinced with the base car design, especially in terms of the light design, but the race conversion more than makes up for it.
From the racing air dam with the front intake, to the side skirts, to the rear, it is undoubtedly a GTE race car. The attention to detail is also quite impressive with air jack ports, covers for the extra driving lights up front, and even escape hatches on the roof.
If we had to nitpick though, aside from the base car design, you could use a different fixture for the front fender vents as the Super GT kit is very old at this point. Itās not a bad fixture by any means, but its boxy shape isnāt the best fit as it sticks out awkwardly from the fender. Perhaps one of the newer Racekit mod fenders could work better here.
The livery is definitely a highlight. Itās relatively simple, just a black and silver colour block base, but the execution with those teardrop shapes following the airflow along the body is a unique touch Iāve never seen before. The sponsor stickers and colour schemes are all in synergy too with realistic placements and hierarchies. It all makes for an iconic livery that I think would be a fan favorite if itās a real life design.
TL;DR: Aside from a few nitpicks, youāre definitely doing this right.
After the first round of feedback, chowi is back for more, looking to enter two cars into the GT category.
Honestly, we think this is gonna have a better chance than the FMW. Just like the Lenius, itās a great looking FR GT. It has the right levels of aggression with the huge fender extensions and a suitably sized rear wing. I love the sharp lines of the base design as well.
The triple canard setup is an odd choice, perhaps two larger ones would work better? Also, they would probably function better if they werenāt just flat planes.
Iām a fan of that side exhaust positioning, but the front fenders could definitely be opened up some more so that air escaping isnāt just restricted to that tiny hole up top.
For example, Iād follow the Vantage GT3 and trim off some of that extra bodywork just ahead of the exhaust. That should clean up the airflow down there as well.
I donāt really have any other criticisms, so just a couple minor nitpicks:
Not sure if this is just the lighting in the picture, but those position marker lights should be green. And for a 2023 car, a manufacturer would realistically build it to GT3 spec since GTE is on itās way out at this point.
TL;DR: This is definitely on the right path, just a few issues to iron out and it could be a winner.
Letās see, what else did we get from chowi?
Well first of all, a front engine setup is an interesting choice for a Hypercar, and certainly adds some uniqueness to the build.
The design doesnāt exactly blow us away though. Whatās with those tiny mirrors?
The design doesnāt really bring any unique shaping on top of whatās laid out by the base body. The overall execution is adequate, but the big blocky diffuser and the less than functional rear wing shape (the center section should be raised instead of lowered to compensate for the greenhouse being in the way) bring an underdetailed and almost toy car like feel to this car.
Also this unfortunate resemblance doesnāt really helpā¦
ā¦aside from that, the livery also contributes quite a bit to the overall underdetailed feel.
The overall idea is workable, but weāve definitely seen better implementations of the Gulf livery. The livery as-is looks, well, quite underfinished. We canāt really find a pattern from all the randomly placed color blocks, and the big sponsor stickers look very tacked on.
TL;DR: Itās a novel idea. Keep at it, but it still needs work to be truly great.
Hope it does fit the regulations.
If that info block reads āWidth: 2.2?mā like I think it does, I regret to inform you it does not. In fact, it exceeds the width restriction for all three categories, let alone LMH.
Even looking past that major blunder, the mishmash-of-fixtures design philosophy, truck mirrors, and discontinuous livery design means itās unlikely to be a winner anyways.
That exhaust placement is a bit suspect, not to mention the diffuser is getting zero airflow.
Props for making some custom sponsors though.
TL;DR: This car may be a Platinum, but as-is, itās nothing more than pyrite.
The feedback deadline is now over, so if you wanna make an official entry submission, please follow the instructions in the OP and be aware of the deadline:
Though, if I take too long on these once again or there is enough demand for an extension, I am willing to extend it by a few days. Anyways, see you in the next one.
Very nice feedback round! Great entryās so far
Thank you very much for the nice feedback.
I would not mind if you extended the deadline a couple of days. Automation glitched out and deleted my car somehow, so i have to recreate it from a very old version. I have a couple exams before the deadline, so I have very little time to do this.
Lmao yes.
I figured that since there was quite some time from challenge start to deadline, Iād go to town.
Nice feedback round tho!
You skipped my car 
I skipped a bunch of people, theyāll be getting reviews in the next few posts
Also, I didnāt get anything from you before feedback submissions closed.
A few others have also been asking for a deadline extension, so with this in mind, Iām going to push the entry submissions deadline back to:
This should give 5 days for the judging poll to run its course in time for Le Mans on June 10th. The OP has been updated with this info as well.
EDIT: For those who havenāt received feedback yet, feel free to send me any updated pics if you have them.
Next post (est. Thu or Fri) will be:
@KenShiro
@Prium
@randomtuner
@Portalkat42
@DrDoomD1scord & @Lazar, I hope you donāt mind me leaving yāall for last since I think your cars are already quite good and complete as is 
Thatās all good lol
Any news on the feedback?
Moblie users: Please make sure you view this post in landscape mode 
Meet the Vermillion AV-X/R. An all-new-standard on endurance racing. With years of development, Vermillionās first entry for the GTE-Pro category is coming to the scene.
The AV-X/R is designed to take endurance races to a whole new level. Despite being based from the standard AV-X running gear the AV-X/R is much more capable on the track than you can think of.
Powering the road-going AV-X is Vermillionās signature turbo inline-3 with a mild hybrid setup, reaching up to 500 hp, and with performance figures competitive to competitors equipping larger engines.
With modifications, the AV-X/R race only specifications raised that to GTE-compliant levels to extract more power from the tiny powerplant. Power curves are improved too, for better response and reliability.
The road-going AV-X corners fast and precise. The AV-X/R? Even more so. With an optimized tyre and aero setup, the AV-X/R is able to tackle even the most trickiest tracks ever built.
The sequential gearbox complies, yet also exceeds FIA standards. With the help of long-time partner Hinata Motors the custom gearbox proves to be faster, lighter and stronger than ever.
Since its founding in 2007, Vermillion strives to create a different kind of supercar, focusing on lightweight design and superb handling, and an emphasis of tiny yet powerful engines, creating an unique identity for Vermillionās vehicles. And Vermillion race vehicles as well.
Vermillion AV-X/R: Coming soon to Le Mans.
2023 Vermillion. Handcrafted in Singapore.
zach is back! 
The submission for this came with a comprehensive explanation of the aerodynamic features and airflow, even down to the path of the vortices coming off the front wing. Canāt say thatās something weāve gotten before, and itās definitely an appreciated detail.
But just like that peak in the central fin, does this design descend from the summit of Mt. Stupid, or are those words actually backed up with the appropriate features on the car itself?
Well, we canāt see in CFD, but from what we observe, itās a bit of a mixed bag. For example, those little wind-cheating strakes all seem to be in the right places where they can be effective. However, other details are more questionable in execution.
Firstly, these scoops over the top sidepod vents.
While you obviously want as much air as possible for cooling, these draggy air-catchers might be in the way of airflow running to your lower beam wing. Perhaps consider a lower-profile solution or other ways to coax air into those vents? Also, thatās quite a clunky-looking latch which probably doesnāt help the aerodynamics either.
The pointed shape of the roof scoop is another point of contention.
It makes us wonder if this is really the best way to combine your roof scoop with those strakes, as a squared-off opening as well as some strakes which actually reach the sides of the roof scoop would probably be more effective in guiding airflow into the scoop rather than letting it spill out just before reaching the intake. Perhaps revisit your primary inspiration, the Ferrari 499P, to see an example of this.
Finally, the part where you say the vortices and tyre wake from the front
travel along the outside where they help to seal the underfloor
raises a couple eyebrows. From the looks of the side profile, it seems that the tyre wake would actually just spill out to the side without any fences or vanes to keep it attached along the floor.
But wait, thereās more! With the aerodynamics covered, we can now turn to the aesthetics 
The base car is reasonably well-designed, perhaps owing to the 499Pās influence. The livery and detailing, though, is where it kinda falls apart. The position lights are probably twice the necessary size, and visually the whole car is a bit of a mess with incongruous sponsor colours all over the sides and the random blocks of black/carbon around the car. It needs quite a bit of cleaning up to say the least.
Not to mention the unconventional sunstrip design/hilariously oversized Gulp logo on the roof.
TL;DR: It has potential, but the rough edges and questionable features let it down.
AFAIK the only real issue I notice is the race number.
Well, the race number looks fine actually
As for the rest of the car, it is looking quite tall, probably as a symptom of the body used. Perhaps try enlarging the wheelarches to take away some of the visual mass between the top of the wheelarch and the top of the fender.
Our main criticism is with the livery. Itās nothing to do with the sponsors or colours, but rather the way the colour blocking is laid out on the sides. It looks āflabby and confusedā as Zach describes it. I think it could do with a more consistent shape, as well as something below to accentuate it. Maybe add an extra blob of white there, or blackout the side skirts to further reduce visual mass.
Aside from that, the base design is great with a good level of detail. My favourite angle is the head-on shot which really showcases the menacing glare of the front end. It could use some more aggressive aero though, with only a rather shallow splitter and some tiny canards which might not cut it compared to the large wing out back.
Speaking of out back, that diffuser setup looks quite cramped. Iām not sure why the extra space on either side isnāt used for a larger design, especially since the exhausts have moved to the side.
Also, is the wing attached via latches?? Iām not sure why you would want an easily detachable rear wing, but youād better hope thatās secure before you hit the first corner at speedā¦
TL;DR: With some cosmetic changes and detailing tweaks we reckon this could be a real contender.
Much like the Cardinal GTS, this car is also based on the Polestar body which means that itās also on the tall side. Thankfully, there is a substantial amount of work done to the fenders which lessens the effect and the blacked out sideskirt helps as well.
The rear aero is perfectly adequate, with a large wing and an appropriately beefy diffuser which makes good use of the space. However, we think the sides could be improved with making the rear fenders less boxy and perhaps finding a better solution for the side molding to avoid that awkward double split.
Over on the front 3/4 angle though, itās a different story.Where did those sideskirts go?
From here, we can see that the front is quite lacking compared to the rear. the extra lights and large canards are a good add, but overall the lower fascia doesnāt really fit with the upper fascia and it kinda gives the effect of a bodykit rather than a proper race conversion. Consider extending the splitter to the edge of the widebody as well.
TL;DR: Iām sure these issues will be fixed with some proper detailing and a proper livery, but right now it lacks substance.
Because I do not think Iāll have enough progress on the actual automation version of the car done before the feedback deadline, Iām posting a drawn version of my design and livery game plan.
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Two specific detailing things I would like feedback on are the cooling fans in the rear grill area(where the license plate would usually be) and the possibility of adding intakes wrapping around the c pillar.
Firstly, I love the idea of a rear-engined luxury GT, let alone a rear-engined luxury GT built for racing. Midlandsā rear-engine shtick can be confusing at times, but it can also be a treat. I think this will score well for Creativity in the polls.
But even with the very high quality drawings, Iāll admit it wouldāve been a bit tough to evaluate this design based off the 2D visualisations alone as I know from previous experience that something can look great when planned out in 2D but is a nightmare to properly translate into 3D.
Thankfully, in the time since this was sent in, Portalkat has been hard at work in-game.
Firstly, the front end. You said this was meant to be on the tamer side like the Continental GT3, but I think this is still a bit too tame, especially considering the base design doesnāt look as sporty as a Continental. I would suggest adding more lip elements like how the Conti does it, but that looks like it would ruin the design a bit.
So, I think you can alter those canards instead as theyāre a bit dwarfed by the sheer scale of everything else. Perhaps a design much like the 911 GT2 RS Clubsport 25 could be a good compromise of a more aggressive design but without ruining the relatively smooth bodywork with too many flicks and strakes.
Moving to the side, the general bodywork looks good. Itās interesting to note how black colour blocking has been used here to reduce the visual weight of such a large car, which is especially important here as the Astraeaās three-box design makes it look bulkier than the Contiās sweeping roofline.
One little nitpick though is that the fuel port looks quite tiny. We get that this is a big car, but is it really that big?
When I first read about those proposed C-pillar intakes, we were worried theyād stick out like a sore thumb on the car without the outrageously wide fenders of the Gr.5 to cover for them. Thankfully, this mockup shows that it wonāt be that bad, and if you can find a way to smoothly integrate them with the surrounding bodywork we see no reason to not allow them.
Moving along to the rear, Iām gonna go off the drawing as the Automation pic isnāt really in a representative state right now. It mostly looks good, but my main concern is with that deep diffuser.
As you can see on the GT2 RS Clubsport 25 from earlier, another rear-engined race car, the diffuser is quite shallow due to the rear engine placement.
Even on the latest 992 GT3 RS Cup, where the engine has been shifted forward a bit, the diffuser is still quite shallow. Iām not sure how Midlands does their packaging - Iād expect them to be pretty good at it considering they only do rear-engined - but I would still be wary of the physical limitations there.
As for the proposed rear cooling fans, we also see no reason to disallow them, on the basis that other cars have done it before with no issues. (Of course, Zach was the one to find this Corvette example.)
TL;DR: If everything goes to plan in time for the deadline, I think this will be a top contender. Well done.
Remember, the new deadline for submitting your entries is:
If you wanna make an official entry submission, as always, please follow the instructions in the OP. So far, Iāve received submissions from @MCzenman and @BannedByAndroid.
Also, just as a reminder, if you did anything for the LMH challenge, you can submit your car as-is for the LMH category and it will be accepted. So far, no oneās done that yet. Maybe yāall forgot? 
Anyways, see you in the next one.
Easily one of your most bonkers ideas Iāve seen, and from the feedback youāve received so far, it works far better than it should:
From the pics, it looks like you used one of the '88 Indicator body sets as a base, and disguised (or distorted) it with a lot of patch/body molding fixtures to make it look like the GT3/E racer you want it to be. If you really did use that body set, what size of it did you choose? My guess is the 2.7m wheelbase version (the second smallest one).
Some explanations for the choices I made, though all your arguments are perfectly valid
The scoops are, in fact, inspired by the 9x8 (because making an undercut is too mainstream), though looking further, the 9x8 already had a downwashing bit in that area so that might be why they could use that concept.
For the scoop and fin, I am well aware that the pointiness is not ideal, and the scoop is too close to the roof to clear the boundary layer, but I put that down to the styling department getting their hands on it. This is LMH after all, some sacrifices can be made to look cool.
I wanted to shape the side more to make a path to capture the vortices, but alas, I lack the skill in body molding magic. As is, this is already one of my biggest forays into 3d body shaping.
For the colors and sponsors, that is simply a skill issue.
Top notch feedback as always, canāt wait to see how much my cars get torn up next round! Also these cars look absolutely stunning. Amazed at how PortalKat was able to keep the Automation version so accurate to the sketch
Unfortunately the Tarske Doce LMH was lost in an accident today and the project has been cancelled. Itās unclear at the moment if another car will replace it or if this is the end of the Tarske LMH program.
(I had to reset my laptop and I lost all my cars, I donāt really feel like starting again from 0 right now)
about that. Part of my logic behind having a slightly deeper diffuser is that this car is V8 powered and therefore has a bit more horizontal openness than what porsche can do with the flat sixes. Thereās the two tunnel ish areas next to the oil pan that would usually be filled with exhaust piping that are more open due to the exhaust manifold being a bit higher up in a knot set up like pagani does to get the tips out above the diffuser.
Yes. itās the one from simmerās pack and itās at itās default size. This is a 4.5 m long car after all. X3
When you look at the front of the car straight on it is much closer to that.
human head for scale
and yeah, Iām planning on tweaking the cannards to a slightly larger and better shape. Glad to see that iām on the right track for things tho. X3
