SPC02: 1995 Fruinia Auto Show | Rules Deliberation

Regular and premium fuel is permitted, and yes, unleaded.

There could be more, (we could include sedan+hatch whatevers as that does open up an opportunity for a Xantia…) but yeah.

Not yet born :stuck_out_tongue:

What does it mean for large hatchbacks, for example?

I’m confused. To my Euro mind every SUV is a car, so what exactly does “not resembling a car” means?

Not to be too critical, but this is starting to shape up into a carbon copy of QFC47 which just closed. You may want to consider adding a challenge element to it, like a more restrictive fuel economy, or tighter design restrictions.

Or look at other auto show threads and make it more of an auto show instead of a buyer challenge?

Can you add price as a priority (my entry is very cheap I’m hoping it will help me win)

Sorry, but I’m trying to make a good formula to calculate the scoring for everyone, and doing this would be very unfair for other people in my opinion. And, saying that you hope to win after saying this to me is not very great. Sorry, but no.

Why do you need a formula? Just make a list of priorities. Say, drivability is 3 stars and price is 2 stars. An averagely priced car with mediocre drivability should beat a cheap car with shit drivability. Low purchase price often comes with at least some downsides.

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Whaaat… So that means that basically every car is optimised to use 100% of the budget, or it’s suboptimal.

Also how’s saying that one hopes to win (isn’t it why people enter challenges?) bad? :thinking:

Also, is that really model years, or trim years? Do the entries have to be brand new models?

What do you mean exactly by “Automation spec diesel”? Your idea of it might be different from my one, and that could result in a bin.

What emissions? Fruinian or Gasmean?

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Worded this horrbily, sorry.
Anyways, I wouldn’t like implementing rules and such that might benefit one person while another may have engineered a car within the limits that were set before, so that would make a little guilty.

I’d say that it has to be a new vehicle, considering the fact that this is an auto show that the couple are going to, and it is to show off new technology.
And, an Automation spec diesel is like simulating a diesel engine in the game, like using 140 AKI fuel (it is 140 iirc) would count on my end, so it won’t really end in a bin,.

If I engineer a car during the rules deliberation period, and then the rules change, that’s 100% on me. Not on the host. Wait for the finalized ruleset or potentially take the L.

Right, so, it’s an auto show but it’s also a challenge? I think this just unnecessarily complicates things. In an auto show the stats aren’t really taken into consideration, and there is no specific buyer. In a challenge there is a buyer, and the car is made for the buyer. Or maybe I am overthinking this, don’t know.

What I don’t understand is, why are V10 diesels allowed in a family car challenge…? Sure there was VW with their V10 SUV madness but I wouldn’t call that a family car. Usually a family car has inline 4, or perhaps even V6 engine. They’re reliable, spacious, good on gas and relatively affordable. A V10 diesel is none of those.

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See, that’s what I was asking about - that’s not the way I do it. That’s why it’s important to clarify the rules.

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I know that I’m borderline nitpicking, but if they need to ask for financial support from relatives, shouldn’t price be at least two star priority? The less they have to borrow (or to receive if they’re not borrowing?) the better.

Are there any bonus points for fitting more than 5 seats in the car? Making practicality a priority would probably encourage people to make 3-row cars (or minivans). It only takes 3 seconds and boom! Annie is pregnant with triplets. And according to my calculations, 6 people don’t fit in a 5 seat wagon :stuck_out_tongue:

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Which WES number are we aiming for?

Sorry all for the radio silence from me, school has started up in my area, and I basically need coffee every day now. (I have barely enough time for this…)
I’ll try to get some specifics down in the following weeks, but only on the weekends so that I don’t tire myself out. Thank you for understanding!

It’s been nearly 2 weeks since the last update - but we don’t know when this round will finally start up (and finish), so I’ll hold off on my proposed SPC2 submission for now.

This challenge will be closed. I can’t find a good time to elaborate upon this, so I’ll probably relegate me hosting this to the summertime. If anybody would like to, they can host SPC02 and make it have a different end goal if they so desire. Sorry for this, once again. I hope you have fun in other challenges.

I actually take this back. The challenge will not be cancelled, and I will try my best to get this up and running as soon as possible. If you have any suggestions, I am opening the floodgates for those, so get talking.

It’s nice to hear that you’re still committed to hosting this challenge - for now. But I have a few suggestions if you really want to make it work as well as you want it to:

  • You could stick to the original rule set, but with a few changes: First off, you might want to make overall running costs (fuel consumption + service costs) a 3-star (i.e., major) criterion.

  • Durability (reliability + environmental resistance), meanwhile, could be a 2-star (i.e., moderate-priority) criterion.

  • And I’d also consider lumping prestige in with sportiness as a 1-star (i.e., minor) criterion that I’d call “wow factor”.

Oh, and a few more things: both those fuel types you mentioned (regular 91RON/87AKI and premium 95RON/91AKI) are unleaded, and the minimum emissions target for Gasmea ought to be WES 7, for the sake of clarity.

If, however, you are unable to ensure that you can successfully host SPC02, I am interested in taking over, and am currently capable of doing so since it will not add too much to my existing workload, even after taking my hosting duties for CW7 into account.