@strop - Iāve a suggestion for a rule change. If a challenge gets canned, like this one, then it reverts to the 2nd place of the previous roundā¦or 3rd, etc.
I donāt see how a poll can do justice for a winner when itās the whole car and not just an advert that counts. Because a cool advert is more likely to get more votes than just a picture with a price.
Iām not in any way thinking I had a chance but my advert was shit!
I support this comment only because I just realized I came 2nd the last round.
Joking aside. I want to express that I am able to host the next round. I also already have a few ideas and the time to do it. But of course it depends on the community if thatās okay or not.
iād say voting just based by ad sounds pretty reasonable to me, as an ad is part of your effort that you put into the entry as a whole, and not just the car, just as much as the appearance of the car itself.
an ad doesnāt even have to be that amazing. just tidy and well done in showing the cars.
though that said, both ways are pretty legit ways imo.
pros and cons for both methods
like the voting method, which i prefer, does end up based on pure ads and car looks only, and would tend to be biased to people that does well done ads consistently. though again in my view, i see the ad as part of your entry effort nowadays
It is part of the entry, however it is far from the whole thing.
Praising cars just because of looks or the effort they put into a photoshop is not as valid a result as awarding them back to the runner-ups from the previous round.
Iād suggest conan, as the last 2nd place, to hold duties for CSR 59.
Iāll weigh in as well with rewarding the previous roundās runner-up in the event of a round failure.
If we go purely by ārepost the ads,ā it turns into āwho spent the most time in Photoshopā and not āWho built the better carā which takes away from the core of the Car Shopping Round, which is to build the better car.
However, going by the runners-up of the previous round, theyāve already proven they know how to make a good car, not just a pretty picture. And it takes out the other problem with āvote on the adsā that comes up: How to keep it from being a popularity contest.
After all, any community, whether small or large, focused or unfocused, has āpopularā members and āunpopularā members. And more importantly, the problem with voting on the ad, in my opinion, is that it rewards a different set of skills with an easy path to victory. No oneās going to care if the carās an utter shitbox if the ad looks awesome, and likewise, no oneās going to vote for the best overall car if the ad is just a few Automation screenshots and a text blurb.
So, as I donāt have a horse in this race either way, Iām able to remain impartial enough to put my vote in on a rule change. Instead of immediately going to a vote on the ads, first offer it to the runners-up of the previous round. If none of the top 3 or top 5 want to take the reins, then put it up to the popularity contest.
I will leave my opinion: This is a contest, based on a person looking for a car, and other person we deliver a car that meets the requested requirements. And we sent it to you. That is, it values āāsomething more than the design (which is also something personal), in addition to the work applied to the car. how can suspension, comfort, dynamics ā¦ Not in āthe one that makes the best editionā or āthe best advertisementā. Because that is pure marketing to attract the customerās attention. In other words, it is a competition that searches for the car the customer is looking for, not an advertising contest. What I mean by this? That I do not see fair to choose the winner as it has been done. For that, either extra time is given to the one who takes the round, or it is passed to the second contestant.
I also tend to think that a thread poll isnāt representative - itās essentially a different format in pretty much every way: A jury of actual forum members replaces a fictional individual, decision based on an ad rather than the entirety of the car etc. etc., though as with the roundmaster unavailable, a āvalidā resolution cannot be achieved anyway, I daresay that perhaps fairness and such shouldnāt even be considered priorities.
As I understand it, the thread poll is just a fallback plan to keep the CSR from seizing solid. So as fallback plans go, Iām in favor of voiding the round and handing roundmaster duties to the runner-up of the previous challenge mainly because it makes a cleaner cut, is simpler and speeds the process up a bit.
On another note: I think the round count has skipped a number, Iām pretty sure weāre at round 57, not 58ā¦
It sounds as if there is fairly unanimous agreement with this suggested rule change.
It also sounds as if people would be happier if I ignored the results of this current poll (I have not seen the results so Iām blinded and therefore unbiased), and went straight to applying this new rule change effective immediately.
So before I say letās do such a thing (Iāll give it 24 hours),
Are there any objections? Speak now or forever hold your peace.
