PWAAAAA HAAAA HAAA HA HA HA HA! Reliable BMW Diesel XD
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Sorry for the delay. Kind of doubt that I should even continue, as this argument has gone long enough⌠but Iâll make it quick.
If the Veyron is so amazing and has excellent high-speed handling, and is the most stable production car in the world at high speed⌠donât you think it would set better lap times? Donât you think that if was indeed so aerodynamically perfect that it could corner at speeds significantly higher than other cars, it would perform better?
Donât you think that the most expensive, powerful, and supposedly well engineered car in the world should be able to do well in any area but top speed, braking, and prestige? Itâs a gloried rocket-sled, and Iâll never see it as anything else.
No, it really doesnât interest me; because of the WHY?! factor. I donât see that W16 as anything but a statement that VW has the funds to blow on an eccentric project. I see nothing impressive in that engine but the fact that it somehow got past their economics department. According to what Iâve read⌠a simple oil change costs upwards of $20,000usd.
So much bullshit in a design⌠and all for what? It produces just 125hp/L. I could understand such specialized measures and complexities for an F1 engine that produces well over 333hp/L N/A⌠but not this thing. Iâm sure itâs a tame and smooth running powerplant; no doubts there⌠but it is still so painfully unnecessary to my eyes that I canât help but cringe at it.
Weird, Bad, and Ugly = This
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In this case no, because itâs a bus weighed down by a heap of stuff extraneous to track performance.
Itâs also worth noting that the Veyron was an overdone benchmark of engineering released in 2005, a time when frankly not much on the âthis is fucking bonkersâ was happening since the 90s and it did present a number of firsts: 1000bhp in a production car, Top speed of 400km/h+ stock etc. Those numbers by themselves may not impress much by themselves but for the fact that they were technically firsts in the production car World that was getting slightly cold feet after the Carrera GT. Not that the date matters that much given what it is (I.e. hardly comparable to any of its contemporaries), but just keeping that in mind when comparing it to cars from 2012 etc.
I personally feel that the Veyron is overblown for the money that goes into it and found myself generally underwhelmed, because I have little interest in Prestige or comfort. But I guess the market is what it is and people were willing to work out and salivate over it.
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Well, the Veyron was a technical exercise. a car that existed because it could.
i dislike it because it seems so sterile. like it looks flashy and all, but there is little wow factor in itâs looks.
also it has a W engine, thats not a W engine.
and itâs the car that everyone seems to want, despite knowing bugger all about it.
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Letâs put it this way, if I could afford one and I actually wanted to buy a supercar then with some real wow factor, I probably would have gone with a Zonda.
Koenigsegg CCXR with 1018PS twin supercharged ford mod v8 and 400km/h over here or a⌠Noble
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You wanted me to stop reading right after this, didnât you? Well mission failed, although it is an extraordinarily stupid statement. You seem to have never driven a car at high speeds and on a track and do not know that being concentrated on one thing takes away from the other.
You tend to think that the 0.36 Cd (poor figure by the way) comes from the amount of wings and spoilers to provide downforce, not from vents to provide cooling. Also if you think a Cd of 0.36 is âaerodynamic perfectionâ then youâre sadly mistaken. Cd has nothing to do with aerodynamic perfection, as with everything in a carâs setup perfection is in ballance.
Itâs neither of the three things you listed. Also the SS laps Dunsfold faster than Ascari A10, Gumpert Apollo, Koenigsegg CCX and ⌠you can use google to find out what itâs faster than if youâre really interested. Ones mentioned are pretty much track cars, apart from Koenigsegg which is still undecided if it wants to be something in particular.
Sigh⌠and here I was, just a few posts ago, stating that somebody might actually think âI wonder what is he on about, I should GOOGLEâ, and here you are proving me completely wrong.
FINE, I shall explain to you how a Veyron was created. (I thought EVERYBODY in the car community was following the car ever since it was a concept, but it turns out everybody just thought âwe should not pay attentionâ. All this was in magazines, how the hell did you miss it).
In any case
In the year 1998 VAG bought rights to Bugatti, Bentley and a few others. To revive the interest to the brands they created a number of concepts. For Bentley and Bugatti they used a similar chassis and produced Chiron, Veyron and
Hunaudieres (That one is a Bentley). At the car show (I do not recall which exactly) as Veyron was demonstrated for the first time a lot of buzz surrounded the return of Bugatti, so naturally Mr. Piech in his usual fashion started making promises (Diesel Estoque is his promise aswell, thankfully that never happened). So when the press asked for details, he made the widest claims he could at that moment. 2.5 seconds 0-100 (Quickest car in the world), 400 kph (Fastest car in the world), 1000hp (Most powerful car in the world) and he pointed at the concept and said - THIS IS IT. Now note, the car was a rolling chassis with no engine in it, more so the engineering department had nothing to do with it, it was a designersâ baby.
It was only AFTER that, that Ferdinand Piech told the engineering department what he had promised. So here you are, imagine if you will, an engineer who is given a shell of a car and the things it must do once youâre done with it, most of them to be âfirst ever to do soâ, and what you have is a car shaped a tad better than a brick. More so, the car must not only be able to do it more than once, it must do it day in and day out, stay on warranty for FOUR YEARS. Go ahead, tell me that itâs a âpiece of cakeâ. Then tell me that youâd slot in anothe engine into it, considering it barely has room for 4 cylinders in a row in the back of it, so youâre stuck with an audi 4 liter v8 or a w12 which would not exist for 2 more years (In itâs concept form) after youâve started. And then figure out the fact that no matter how you look at it you need a LOT of displacement for the engine to be reliable at that power output for such a long time.
The only real reason for
Is because you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Both require racing talent to be driven.
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can not agree more, CAMS/ANDRA licensed here lolâŚI would still take a Noble but since they are coming down in prices and lets be honest anything above 300km/h is a death wishâŚI cant wait to move to Europe next year dude
This explains an awful lot. I started following that car sometime down the line in its development, (2003) so didnât know exactly what the deal was, but do remember looking at an article and thinking âthey want that to do 400?â 
Okay now Iâm just done with this thread. Youâre twisting what Iâm saying to go against whatever your logic may be.
Did I not call the Veyron a rocket sled that canât do anything but top speed? Why do you think I donât realize that it canât compete with other cars? That was my whole point.
No, I do not think 0.36cd is aerodynamic perfection; Iâm not stupid. I called it that as satire to the people who think the Veyron is Godâs car. The one and only reason I keep mentioning the Veyronâs 0.36cd is my point that any car with 1,000hp and 0.36cd will go just as fast as a Veyron. Stop adding other shit to it.
The whole story about the Veyronâs inception just made it infinitely more stupid to me. Way to go engineers for saving their idiot overlordâs fat mouth⌠but that doesnât stop me from shaking my head at the stupidity of the whole situation and car that it spawned.
Iâm done, and Iâm gone.
> still using HP/L as an argument
Go back to the youtube comments sections. I thought you were more intelligent.
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If even the diesels are bad, then that explains a lot. I got the chance to listen to a friend of my momâs, whoâs a BMW dealer, I heard him say the following to someone else: âI know I sell these things, but as a friend, Iâm advising you, do NOT buy these.â
Thank you
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Forget the GTR or the Veyron, now this is genuinely a car to admire.
ÂŁ95k
1020hp from a supercharged LS V8
950kg
so much want
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its a fucking death trap. an awesome death trap, but still a death trap.
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@Squidhead Itâs rather hard to not just give up when what I said a post ago is being used as counter-point to my own statement a post later. That means that youâre just looking for a conflict that isnât there, or youâre mis-reading what Iâm saying. Maybe I worded it unclearly⌠everythingâs a possibility⌠but something went seriously awry.
Do not make the mistake that Iâm saying the Veyronâs engine isnât capable of more than 125hp/L. I am NOT saying that it is primitive, or inefficient. The one and only reason I brought up that it makes 125hp/L is to state that it is well within the scope of traditional engine technology and state of tune. It is, as I mentioned, not a special race engine that produces over 300hp/L, and so I do not think it is warranted or justifiable that the Veyronâs engine requires such specialized and obscenely expensive measures for an oil change. Apparently you feel that my (reasonable) opinion on that matter makes me a retard.
Behold! The Weber Sportscars Faster One; a genuinely ugly car with a genuinely ugly name.
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The rear looks like a Toyota GT86 decided to try all the drugs they could. The front is a mustache that grew faster than you remembered.
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