CSR168 - Around the World

CSR168
Around the World

The Brief

Somewhere in Western Europe, March 1986

After a particularly rough year and losing just about everything he had (apart from some cash), the client (let’s call him Bob) has decided that enough is enough, and that he would circumnavigate the world and visit every country in every continent.

Bob doesn’t have a definite plan for the journey, as each part of the journey would present challenges that he cannot fully account for at the start of the journey. He plans to stick to the main roads where possible but knows that things can get tough. From bad roads to open armed conflict, from the lack of supplies to corrupt officers demanding bribes, Bob isn’t fully prepared but is headstrong, determined to overcome any issues that he faces.

With his savings and proceeds from selling most of his possessions, Bob is looking for a tough and practical vehicle that he can depend on for this most ambitious journey around the world. To him, it really can be anything as long as it does the job.


Priorities

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Looks and styling

It doesn’t need to be stunning but Bob wouldn’t want his trip around the world to be in an eyesore

Reliability

No one wants their car to break down in the middle of actual nowhere

Realism

Unreal = bin


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Fuel Economy

Fuel may be scarce in some stretches of the journey. Bob will definitely bring some jerry cans with him but it’s good to stretch the fuel as far as possible.

Drivability

Bob can drive stick and is fit enough to steer without power assistance.

Vehicle Size/Practicality

Although having a large vehicle makes it easier to carry supplies and such, Bob doesn’t want a car that is too unwieldly and may potentially strand him on particularly narrow bits of road. Bob will most likely spend a few nights in the car so don’t make it too cramped for him.

Value for Money

Remember that cheap and barebones does not always equate to good value for money. Consider what Bob may need for the journey


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Comfort

Bob knows that this will be a long and arduous journey. He doesn’t need much creature comforts (or so he thinks), but a decently comfortable ride would be greatly appreciated

Safety

Bob is putting himself in a lot of danger, so try not making the car one of them

Service Costs

Repairs would be inevitable for a journey like this. The cheaper and more available the parts, the better


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Offroad

Again, Bob wants complete his journey by road where possible. If he needs to go off-road later, he will make the necessary modifications himself.

Sportiness

Any car can be sporty if you drive it hard enough

Prestige

Who cares


Rules

To better simulate real-world car pricing and for better balance, we have decided to incur a slight penalty for certain suspension, powertrain, drivetrain, driver aid, and suspension components. More on that below.

  • Game version: open beta
  • Model/family year: free
  • Trim/variant year: 1986
  • Body type: hatchback, ute, SUV, van, MPV, or wagon. No convertibles. Must have doors (visually)
  • Wheelbase: free
  • Suspension type: Refer to summary table. Anything not mentioned can be used freely.
  • Valvetrain: Refer to summary table. Anything not mentioned can be used freely.
  • Fuel: Unleaded Regular RON 91
  • Exhaust: at least one muffler required.
  • Emissions: WES 5 or better
  • No faux diesels
  • Drivetrain: Refer to summary table. Anything not mentioned can be used freely.
  • Wheels: non-race radials only, and chunky offroad tyres are banned. Tyre width must end in 5
  • Interior and entertainment options: Sports, handmade, and race interiors banned. Entertainment choice must be the same as interior choice or one grade below. For example, if you have standard interior then you can only have basic or standard cassette, if you have premium interior you can have standard or premium cassette, etc. Refer to summary table for costs of each interior and entertainment option. You can choose to have no entertainment too if you want.
  • Interior model: Will not be judged or be seen as a distraction
  • Seats: At least 5 if body can accomodate 2+ rows, or 3 for vehicles with only one available row
  • Driver aids: Refer to summary table. Anything not mentioned can be used freely.
  • Safety: Basic/standard/advanced 80s only
  • ATS: The difference between front and rear wheelbase offset cannot be more than 10. Other settings are free but be reasonable lest you risk a realism bin. If unsure, ask us
  • Techpool: Budget of no more than $35.0M combined. No negative TP.
  • Total cost (approx. cost plus cost of additions): no more than $25,000
  • Model/family name: CSR168 - (username)
  • Trim/variant name: free

Summary of Additional Costs

Model Cost/Eligibility
Rear double wishbone $1,400
Rear multilink $1,400
Pushrod Banned
Drive Type Cost/Eligibility
4WD $800
AWD (any) $1,100
Engine Cost/Eligibility
AlSi Banned
DOHC $1,000
3 valves/cyl $1,000
4 valves/cyl $2,000
VVT Banned
VVL Banned
ITBs Banned
Drivetrain Cost/Eligibility
5th gear $500
Automatic $800
Adv. auto $1,100
Interior Cost/Eligibility
Basic $0
Standard $300
Premium $500
Luxury $700
Entertainment Cost/Eligibility
Standard cassette $200
Driving Aids Cost/Eligibility
Power steering (any) $300
ABS $600
Suspension Cost/Eligibility
Gas dampers $100
Adaptive dampers Banned

Cost calculator and legality checker, for your convenience

Current version: V4


Inspirations


Volkswagen Transporter


Mitsubishi L300


Toyota Kijang my goat


Dodge Ram Van


Toyota Land Cruiser


Isuzu Trooper


Toyota Hilux


Chevrolet S10


Peugeot 504 Break


Volvo 240


Citroen BX Van/Break


Volkswagen Passat Variant Syncro


Submissions

Submit the car via DM to myself (@S_U_C_C_U_L_E_N_T) AND @vero94773 (in one message)

Submissions open on Friday, 19 September at 23.59 UTC+11

Submissions close on Sunday, 26 October at 23.59 UTC+11


Notes/Changelog

The aim of this challenge is to be very open ended but also full of constraints. Some of these rules may seem excessive but there really was a time when having a fuel injected twin cam 16v engine was a big flex, separating gigachads from chuds (in the owner’s mind). Thus, technologia or convenience feature = expensive.

Because this round is hosted on Open Beta, updates may come along and throw a spanner in the works. The impact of each update will be examined, and resubmissions may be allowed when necessary. Thank you for your understanding.

This is also my first time hosting CSR (vero has hosted multiple in the past), so please let me know if there are things that need clarifying/improvement.

12/9 Clarified that submissions need to be made to both myself and vero

13/9 Banned pushrod suspension

14/9 Banned convertibles and faux diesels

16/9 Added cost calculator and countdown timer

17/9 updated calculator for new interior rules. Banned negative TP and quality. Doors now a requirement. Unbanned negative quality

18/9 Reduced importance of value, removed most entertainment penalties, increased interior quality penalties, added naming scheme rules

19/9 Added ATS rule, banned RVs

Good luck and have fun!

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finally an open beta challenge

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around da world

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This is the first Al-Rilma CSR - a brave move considering the fact that, in its current open beta state, it still needs some polish. That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if future CSRs were also held on Al-Rilma.

And regarding the extra-cost options list, it’s doubtful that pushrod suspension should even be allowed, given that none of the inspirations had it even as an option.

The same price penalty for pushrod suspension compared to the others? I feel it should be higher, or even banned entirely. Such a setup was pretty much limited to racing cars during the 80’s.

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Did you check the rebalanced suspension values in the most recent open beta (“Tweaked comfort base values for suspension types to make it less design dependent”)? I have only taken a cursory glance, but not sure there needs such a stiff penalty anymore for the formerly OP suspension types.

fair points on pushrod, I will bring banning it outright up with @S_U_C_C_U_L_E_N_T.

even with the reworked base values for comfort, the fancier suspension types offer other advantages over the more simplistic options, so the penalties will more than likely remain as they are.

Pushrods are getting banned but the penalty for double wishbone and multilink remains. The stat differences really are not as stark as it used to be, but the penalty shall remain for realism purposes. I’ll also clarify that the penalties apply to the rear suspension only as I feel that the price for front double wishbones is already a good bump up from struts.

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opinion on filet mignon faux diesels?

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very nice but not worth the extra cost generally no faux diesels, petrol only

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Updates

We got just over 48 hours before the round opens, so have your say before it’s too late

Rules

  • Car must visually have doors
  • Added new interior rules and price penalties
  • Banned negative techpool and quality

Misc

  • Added a cost calculator and legality checker under the rules section for your reference. This was first uploaded a few days ago but just got updated, so if you downloaded it before please redownload and make sure that it is at least the second edition (V2). Link here.
  • Added countdown timer for round opening and deadline.
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I understand the no negative techpool, but why no negative quality?

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Ngl I wrote that out of habit, since I am normally quite aversive to negative quality in my builds and the challenges I hosted in the past were generally not budget oriented. Since cars in this segment would realistically cheap out on certain parts, I shall remove the ban on negative quality.

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Wait what’s the reasoning behind even standard/standard interiors getting a cost penalty? I understand premium, but the in-game tooltip for ‘standard’ also includes low-end budget cars as well.

Unless Bob is really looking for super basic barebones utility? (The tooltip in-game for ‘basic’ is more utility fleet vehicle spec)

Also the in-game price (and reliability) difference is already different enough that I’m not sure if it warrants an extra price penalty on top of that.

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Why can’t we use anything lower as in fuel quality if we’re expected to cross a place where less-than-regular fuel may be found?

It could be that low quality unleaded is not always available in some countries, especially more developed ones.

You can always just use higer quality fuel, so I don’t see how that would be an issue.

Using a higher fuel grade than whats recommended or the car was ”made for” is never going to cause issues.

The thinking behind this is to differentiate the more utilitarian cars vs more comfort oriented cars. Take this comparison between a Toyota Townace (goods vehicle, “basic” interior) vs a Toyota Liteace Wagon (comfort van, “standard” interior)

Obviously these vehicles are priced quite differently in a way not fully represented in Automation’s approximate cost calculation. Both cars could arguably be considered “low end”, but they each have a different purpose, leading to different engineering choices.

It’s a bit hard to find pricing data on Toyota Lite/Townaces, so I attempted to calculate the differences between each grade of interior using a 1984 Ford Granada brochure as reference (available here: https://autocatalogarchive.com/), as well as old Autocar magazines that can be found on internet archive.

The Granada too had different interior specs between different trims, ranging from something that can be considered “standard” with “basic” entertainment on the L, “premium” on the GLs, and “luxury” on the Ghia amd Ghia X.

Granted, the price difference that can be attributed to interior choices isn’t 100% clear, but the differences are there nevertheless as with most other cars on the market.

Ultimately, I wanted to try and better simulate the price markups that come with having fancier stuff. Having the better interior increases cost, but the increase in selling price is generally much higher than the increase in cost due to increased prestige and desirability, among other factors.

This is not intended to render anything “fancy” uncompetitive. Rather, I want engineering decisions that are more discretionary and purposeful. Hence, I am trying this method out and seeing how it goes.

I realize that placing value for money as a tip-top priority may have created the impression that Bob wants something completely barebones. As the brief says, he wants something that “does the job”, which really is very open to interpretation. To that end, I will move value for money down in the list of priorities, and possibly move comfort up one level.

I hope this helps to explain the rationale.

There is too much variation between fuel grades in different countries, so I went with 91 which should be a good middle ground.

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1986 Yamaguchi Camper

Why do Japanese MPVs work so well? Because they are a rational mean of transport, built and designed by people that want exactly that: rational transportation.

Thankfully the partnership with Cavaliere Nobile means that a few italians help with the design too, so it is a good balance between italian tastefulness and japanese cyber-stuff.

The Yamaguchi van is available as 180, 190, 200 (with a fancy flat 6 from Cavaliere) and 240D. We recommend the 190 as the golden center for the average customer that does not want a Diesel.

Also, Yamaguchi importers in Europe offer a camper conversion. The basic camper does not have a roof tent or such, the body is unchanged without modification to the roof or other parts, it only loses the left sliding door, that´s it - that keeps the price low.

The perfect vehicle for those that want to daily their camper van as well. A good compromise for any situation. And, it is available with 4x4 drivetrain too for 200 and 240D models.

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What’s the naming scheme for this challenge? I’m Guessing CSR168 - [Username]?

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