The Car Shopping Round (Round 64): Tears in Heaven

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7867

I have a hunch that we must use the current stable release (which uses the Kee engine) for CSR42. Or will we?

Also:

I suspect that, in addition to having the wrong tire types and sizes, its suspension tune leaned too much towards comfort, and was not set up for hot laps. It may explain why I chose to install wider high-performance tires on my car instead, and fit larger wheels as well. On top of that, I set up my car to oversteer for the sake of sportiness - but managed to avoid making it feel too wayward in the process.

7868

Don’t think we really have a choice…lol

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7869

Welcome to Automation! Where every car does 400km/h+, has 1000hp+ and only consumes 5l/100km.

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7870

This was what I went for, that’s why I narrowed the front tires and rear biased the all wheel drive. It was supposed to be a boulevard cruiser that could pound the pavement First Gen Taurus SHO style. The narrower fronts were intended to make putting the back end out manageable without having expensively wide tires all around (Something we were explicitly told to avoid)

7871

Ah well, I’ll figure out how to read the subtext between the lines, eventually.

7872

Yes, it wasn’t configured for hot laps because it was indicated that this wasn’t a track car, even though it seems the cars were graded as if they were track cars. Still, lateral acceleration was similar to a contemporary BMW M3, as was general acceleration (weaker engine, but lower weight), with superior braking. Things like suspension comfort are quite intangible and subjective, as is ‘good fuel economy’ or ‘low service costs’, and it’s impossible to know how a competition runner will grade these things, so I tried to achieve real world segment comparable performance (going by the cars mentioned, premium sports wagon) and then max out comfort/economy/etc from there.

For the record, here is the set up:

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7873

That’s actually a good setup.

But i don’t think it’s only track based. The other categories is just not explecitly stated

7874

Well my car, the winning car, 'only ’ had 292 hp, 30 hp down on the 1996 BMW M3 and 20 hp over the Subaru impreza wrx sti of the time. So out wasn’t a HP monster that won that some might make it out you be, although it does have a very modern torque curve.
As for the tyres I opted for 245/40r17, which are a bit bigger than the 225/40 the M3 and WRX sti had back in the day. Anything under 205-215 wasn’t really sporty back then for a saloon. Admittedly I looked at modern prices when choosing the tyre size, as nowadays a sport compound tyre at the used dimensions would cost 100-120€, I believe far from what AirJordan considered to be ridiculous: 300€.

EDIT: And yeah, I believe Kee Engine still will be in order as not a lot of models and customization works yet in UE4 so far, let alone properly.

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7875

Except for the suspension being pretty much extremly overdamped, it looks like a good setup.

Take my car for example, i had 266 hp, AWD and tried to keep my tires pretty slim (225’s mediums if i remember correct, could have been hard…) and still managed to get in the top 5 just on pure balance of power and handling.

7876

Looks overall good, But the sportiness seems low for some reason, well, the lateral grip is low to Automation standards, what compound did you use?
EDIT: DERP, it’s medium, anyhow, yeah the sportiness is low for some reason, and the weight is rather on the high end of the spectrum

7877

I believe I was significantly penalised by the ‘spacesaver’ test because I have ‘high’ profile tyres on only a 16 inch wheel, where people using higher diameter wheels and lower diameter tyres would have much more rigid spacesavers with less sidewall (spacesavers were seemingly created by narrowing the tyre only, with the wheel untouched). I intentionally used a higher profile tyre for comfort, and it’s not an unrealistic tyre for the period and segment. (Edit: Also penalised because of the worse weight-to-rubber ratio at 125 mm than people who built lighter cars; had no idea the car would literally be put on spacesavers as part of the competition.)

As far as the low sportiness goes, that is a consequence of me favouring drivability and comfort in terms of tyre selection (higher profile, not too wide), brake pads (medium), suspension height (average) and throttle response (single throttle, normal timing, 14.7 air:fuel). Again, the whole logic of my design was decent performance and sportiness without penalising drivability and comfort much.

That being said, I wouldn’t mind seeing some inside information about better performing cars if they are willing to share it. :wink:

Incidentally, I’m curious about the real world and Automation application of dampers. In Automation, only severely under-damped wheels cause a noticeable effect on track performance (a penalty, I assume because the wheel is bouncing around?). Other damper settings only affect comfort and sportiness, in mostly obvious ways, and drivability in a way that is hard to understand (which is what I optimised for haha).

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7878

CSR 42: Billy-Joe wins the lottery

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Billy-Joe is what some people might consider a “redneck”, but Billy-Joe just won 10 million dollars.

Billy-Joe may be dumb, but Billy-Joe isn’t stupid. Billy-Joe knows he has to work to stay rich, but he hates bosses, so he wants to start his own delivery company as both the manager and sole employee, maybe even in Beverly Hills.

Can you provide Billy-Joe with a vehicle to meet his new luxurious delivery lifestyle?

Billy-Joe wants to live in comfort now he’s rich, so it musn’t be another plain cheap delivery van.

Billy-Joe works to make money, why else would he? So since he’s in the USA, the car must have “reasonable” fuel consumption and use fuel that’s available and affordable. Also the vehicle needs to be somewhat reliable, otherwise Billy-Joe is going to lose customers.

Feel free to come up with a business plan for Billy-Joe, he isn’t so clever after all, but he will consult a financial advisor before purchase and somewhat listen, so sadly convincing Billy-Joe that delivering hats to rabbits is big business might not work.

Max combined engineering time is 200, budget is about max 75000 @ 0% markup, but as you know I’m quite lenient with budgets. Trim year is 2017

Standard CSR naming applies:

Model: CSR42 - <Yournamehere>
Trim: <car brand and name>
Family: CSR42 - <Yournamehere>
Variant: <engine name>

Used game engine is the good ol’ Kee engine

##Deadline: Sunday 4th June at 12:00 GMT

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7879

Are you sure you got the deadline date correct or is a Flux Capacitor standard equipment this time round? :stuck_out_tongue:

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7880

The Flux Capacitor just got fixed.

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7881

What kind of delivery does Billy-Joe want to haul around ?
Moonshine ? Weapons ? Whole Meth-Labs ?
What kind of cargo basicly

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7882

Whatever can yield him some good money, but overall more cargo capacity always is going to be better.

7883

I’m guessing that’s engine and chassis combined?

7884

Yeah, but

Max engineering time and budget altered

To suggestion the budgets for both have been seriously slashed to improve the competition.

7885

Just looking at those figures, one could build a Mercedes utility vehicle like they build their cars :astonished:

Are we talking single unit or a fleet, or is that also up to us?

7886

This is NOT an FOA car.

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