Gotta say it.
this doesn’t seem like a CSC at all.
There is no brand, no previous models, and not even a goal of the vehicle?? and your inspirations are all completely different vehicles.
I suggest you re-read the few previous CSC’s to see what this challenge is supposed to be and make some changes, or change the name so it doesn’t tarnish this once great challenge
How would a winner be chosen?
If only cosmetics are being judged, (even though it’s literally called Function over Form) how are you going to judge how practical or well the vehicle does its intended job?
Especially since BetterDeals is best known for meme/troll builds in other forum challenges. The rule set, however, is vaguer than I thought, especially since only three priorities are listed (and none are ranked in either increasing or decreasing order of importance), and the inspirations are so disparate as to be disjointed. It could be better to spin this off as a standalone challenge if attempts to make it a worthy CSC prove fruitless.
Maybe this thread could be more “complete”, and yet with not a much different brief after all, if the goal was to create a concept car that captures the spirit of Betterdeals, and some of their older builds were presented in the thread, and all of that was made clear from the start?
Apologies for all the unclearness, guess I’ll get back to the drawing board, but a few responses.
I’m mainly going off of the last CSC, which had no brand or anything. But looking at the inspirations again, looks like I remembered wrong and they were all very similar.
For choosing the winner, it’s all about judging whether your solution works and is unique. For example, will having 3 wheels on one side make it go faster? Will having the cabin on the side allow for more cargo?
This would be judged by mainly creativity, compactness, and usefulness. Yes it may be difficult to judge them against eachother, but if they are good at what they do, that’ll work well. If you build something unique but with no use, that won’t work.
The whole idea is build something incredibly unique that is built to function as well as it can.
I will be honest; I don’t know much about CSC, but I thought it was worth a try.
Sorry everyone, I’m disappointed in myself. Entries closed for a bit, for now Rise Comics and me will try to get things back on the rails. We’ll take your suggestions, of course. Please give us them, if possible.
Once again, I’m disappointed in myself, and I will try to redeem myself.
Relax, knock it back a bit, this is an Automation challenge, don’t act like if someone’s life did depend on it. Fucking things up is part of a first time experience, we all know this is your first time as a CSC host and we understand and accept it. I don’t see anything wrong with the ideas behind it in itself, I know that Betterdeals is an…ehrm…rather special brand, and that a Betterdeals CSC isn’t to everyone’s taste. Myself I would be more interesting in joining it, than joining another “make a 2020 crossover/hatchback/whatever for this brand by someone that makes designs that are pure perfection that I never can live up to anyway” since it would spark my creativity in a whole different way. It was just missing some parts of its execution, but I am sure you know about the phrase “learning by doing”, right? Some polishing and you’re good to go.
Thanks man. Indeed, it needs polishing. I’ll get to work on it when i come home from school later today.
Ok, ive made some changes to the post. Please give advice, and if it’s ready to go it’s ready to go.
i think the biggest problem with this challenge is the core idea, unfortunately. it seems far too open-ended for anyone to really understand what exactly you’re looking for, outside of the general “function over form” idea. the inspirations are all over the place, and don’t really do much to inform what’s desirable and what isn’t. is a well-made tube-frame rat rod going to lose to a hastily-made post truck, because it lacks the carrying capacity and utility of the latter? based on how high the functionality is rated compared to everything else, that feels like it may be the case. i can read the room in understanding you want a little bit of quirkiness with the submissions, but outside of that i’m pretty lost to where i should start.
I do have an idea though.
What do you guys think of having 3 “trophies” (something like performance, utility, and military), and then we choose the best out of those as the overall winner. Would that make it a bit clearer where to start?
I’ll add my two cents in here, just to try make this competition better for all of us.
The design definitely needs to be cleared up, there’s solid rules around what year to make the car for, and there isn’t any engineering required for this so that doesn’t matter.
There is an idea, but like kaybee says the inspirations are all over the place. The cars are from all areas of the market and that makes it hard to tie down the theme (especially for judging). Each inspiration is a different theme in itself. Choose one, and make the rules around that.
Say you did the fan car, “must include a fan at the back”
Say it was the jeep “must include easily accessible parts and storage”
Each of those images could be a separate competition, let’s pick a lane and send it.
Well done for stepping up and hosting, it’s not easy as you’ve found. Hopefully we all help to make it a good competition and you’ll have more experience to host another one later.
Thanks, i think i might put in a rule like that. Im currently thinking about multiple categories which would definitely clear up stuff, allows people to be more direct on how they want to do something.
That still doesn’t fix the problem which is how do you decide who wins out of these
both can be winners of their catagory, and now you have the same issue as before. Which is there is no clear way to judge “function” as they both serve a different purpose from each other.
Then you start judging by Compactness, Originality, and Beauty right?
Judge by quirkiness, something that captures the spirit of a BetterDeal. There doesn’t have to be 100% a theme, but as people said, maybe some direction to be known. That said, I think we the community like drama despite our dislike for it, it creates division and the halo idea of what is right.
Your idea was just subject to judgment without the sight of which you saw sort of. Most people here are used to a theme and to the building by it, which most people here would not build an Automation car unless there were a challenge with multiple rule sets and such of which people dislike ambiguity.
That said, that is my opinion on this challenge, hopefully I’ll join in this challenge
I think what most people struggle with is the lack of a specific “category” of car (or specific function).
If you narrow down the intent of this round slightly (e.g. “build me a car for a lumberjack”), I reckon it would probably be enough.
Weird delivery van would probably cover it too maybe, or perhaps open it up to any utility vehicle that has the most ability for the least size
i feel like the challenge is intentionally vague for the sake of being funnny, to not overly restrict people to realistic use cases (for example currently you could make a car that is the most efficient at baking bread or growing tomatoes, or overthrowing a government, or going to mars or whatever).
Ok, ive got a decision that needs to be made.
Please vote on what we should do.
- Keep as is
- Add categories to clear things up
- Add specific car type to build