QFC70 - Alternate Judging Results

Continuing the discussion from QFC70 - Family Fun/ction [CLOSED, judging in progress]:

QFC70 - Alternate Judging Results

Note: These reviews were written with whatever units I happened to have set for use when I imported the entries. Do they make sense for a UK-market challenge? No. Absolutely not. But I was too lazy to go back and re-run the units once I realized my mistake.



Not quite in time: Hangook Sertralin - @Hilbert
This one came in just a bit late but after I’d already run numbers. Let’s say it looks like it would have finished middle-ish.



21. Manta Puna - @jbkone
This one could have been a bin for not being entered with a proper name, but it finishes last anyway because it’s absurdly, backbreakingly uncomfortable (4.2)



20. Mutsuko Twister - @Dog959
Other than good safety scores and excellent fuel economy at 41 mpg, there’s not much to like about the Twister, which trails the field in multiple categories and isn’t much of a looker.



19. AMS Abella - @abg7
It’s small and cheap (which are positives in this field), but it’s otherwise average at best and looks anonymous.



18. Ikeda Stellaria - @Yewnos100
Achieves excellent sportiness, but too much at the expense of drivability. It’s also a relative gas guzzler at 27 mpg and has dead-last reliability (59.5).



17. Constellation N3 - @oldmanbuick
Saved myself the awkwardness of ranking my own entry too highly by entering a generally mediocre, un-sporty, and bland-looking entry–with top reliability marks (73.3). Typical.



16. Oryu Buttercup - @SheikhMansour & @moroza
It’s easy to drive, comfortable, and gets great gas mileage (41 mpg), but it’s a rush-job design and the most expensive entry to service ($1,143.7).



15. Nobilis Femina - @mausil
If not for astonishing, class-leading fuel economy (51 mpg) and 2nd-best-in-class safety (57.2), this would have sunk even lower in the rankings due to class-worst sportiness (11.3).



14. Alferi Linea - @Danicoptero & @BababooeyGamington
Aside from a low score in the 1-star offroad category, it’s a generally competent entry with above-average drivability–but it lacks any standout attributes that would rank it higher.



13. IP Sterna 2500 GTX - @Knugcab
A handsome sedan buoyed in the rankings by its looks, but it otherwise generally trails the competition and has the worst comfort score (17.8) outside of the Puna.



12. Soléon Vermillé FFE - @HyperskiesSM
Generally competent with some good qualities, but it has poor sportiness while leading the class in number of accents aîgu and in unnecessary off-roading competence (22.0).



11. Marnel Verno XSR - @superbiirdd
The least expensive ($15,600) and with the second smallest footprint (68.7 sq ft), it’s otherwise generally competent–with the exception of a low sportiness score (17.0) that drags it down.



10. ACZ Concur - @Kreator
Makes the rest of the field look like tin cans with a dominating safety score (65.0) and does well in other areas, but it’s bigger than most and trails most of the field in gas mileage.



9. Tensei Pyxis - @CrazyCat808 & @NotChris07
A tiny footprint helps it reach a class-leading drivability score (91.2), and it also manages a dominating comfort score (37.1). But…sportiness is abysmal (9.6).



8. Norrsken Felid - @Ritz
It’s about average or better in almost every category and comes in fairly attractive packaging, but it has high service costs and lacks standout traits outside of offroad performance.



7. Hirose Lufira SMi - @Nebulon
Well-rounded with notably better-than-average sportiness and a generally attractive design, with somewhat high service costs the only nit to pick. Others just do a few things a bit better.



6. Veloux M24 - @Capri78
An eye-catchingly French design with no real weaknesses to speak of, but fuel economy is a bit low (31 mpg), and scores never manage to be much more than a bit better than average.



5. Haruta DT2 Adventure - @tsunderekun & @vouge
Excellent sportiness and good comfort, combined with all-around competence in other metrics, makes this a strong entry that’s just edged out by the top of the field.



4. Olsen HS - @the-chowi
With handsome looks reminiscent of Volvos of the era, the design helps make up for slightly low sportiness for an otherwise well-rounded vehicle with good comfort and no other weaknesses.



3. Kaga KRG Spirit - @Koviico
While generally well-rounded, weaknesses in sportiness and comfort would drop it a few slots if considering engineering alone–but good looks lift it to a podium finish.



2. Mamushi Stellar 2.0 ELS - @Aruna & @Jaeger
Well-engineered and with a handsome design echoing a Mazda 3, it doesn’t have any weaknesses to speak of while boasting one of the highest comfort scores (27.6).



1. Mei Ling ML7150MP - @yangx2
Visually appealing in a quirky, love-it-or-hate-it sort of way with well-rounded engineering scores, it powers to the top of the field with an astounding 40.6 sportiness score–more than 10 points ahead of the 2nd place score of 29.9.


For what it’s worth, I think the winners here should claim rights to hosting QFC71 in the usual fashion, even if I’m not the official host of QFC70.

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A bit anti-climactic but hey, the challenge is finally finished, our souls can rest xd

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Thanks for carrying out a quick (although maybe a little concise haha) conclusion to this challenge.

And many thanks to @ShinyBat for all their efforts as the original host! Running a challenge is a surprising amount of effort and your hard work is certainly not to be discounted.

I understand how it’s like to be kept up at night and frozen in fear about a torrent of “what-if”s, it really really sucks. Although in all of this, just be known that you are always welcome here and don’t let this discount you from hosting another challenge !! :slight_smile:

All being said, I’ll give QFC71 a shot. It’s been a while, so much has changed, but with the compressed timeline and significantly less level of effort compared to CSR I may have some room for this. Stay tuned.

While we’re at it, please fill in this intentionally vague poll with an illegal activity seen in the worst corners of the car community, which may or may not influence the next QFC:

  • Cutting Up
  • Street Takeovers
0 voters

I’ll close this poll at roughly around 5 PM EST

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Both activites are not only illegal - promoting which may be a violation of Discourse rules - but also, more importantly, dangerous and wrong. As someone who has no problem ignoring speed limits on unpopulated roads, I condemn both “cutting up” and “street takeovers” as they interfere with other people, and boycott the vote. Phrase it a different way, at the very least.

Also, how about showing some appreciation for someone who - for at least the third time - stepped up to take over a stagnating instance of a challenge whose defining traits are Quickness and brief reviews?

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Even though longer turnaround times and complex reviews have become more common over time, “simple reviews” with a 140-character limit and “quick turnarounds” are defining traits of a “Quick-Fire Challenge.” See here: Quick-Fire Challenge

There are also more recent QFCs, e.g. QFC66, that have had similarly brief reviews, even if the spirit of a QFC seems to have generally been forgotten in the sands of time.

Would these reviews be overly short for a CSR or a JOC? Yes. Here? Absolutely not.

If I sound salty, it’s because I quite frankly am salty when, after volunteering to salvage a challenge that had been languishing for a month and then turning around reviews within five hours of the submission deadline, the first two comments refer to an “anti-climactic” result and make a “joke” about the reviews being “a little concise”–in a challenge that literally has a “rule” that reviews are supposed to be 140 characters or less.

EDIT: This is probably one of those posts that falls under the umbrella of “don’t send the email when you’re frustrated,” but I am not going to delete it because (1) the stuff about QFC rules might actually be a useful reminder and (2) I don’t want to get any accusations that I am trying to “hide” what I said.

Clearly this has stirred up a hornet’s nest (which falls into the category of “what did you think was going to happen, dummy?”…well, I didn’t really think, just let the frustration speak for me). And yes, this is all about a video game that’s supposed to be fun, which is part of why I felt frustrated when it seemed to me that other folks were taking the depth of the reviews too seriously. It seems like that was absolutely not the intent given @yangx2’s comment below, and I apologize for not following the rule I try to follow of assuming good faith.

I would suggest that we all move on since there’s not much point in continuing a back-and-forth on a comment that I should have bit my tongue on. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I’d rather we all focus our energies on the next challenge than debating something that admittedly would have been better left unsaid in the first place.

Anyway, what I probably should have said was this: Thanks for trusting me to take this on since there was really no reason for any of you to go along with my hare-brained scheme for an alternate judging. I by no means was trying to push @ShinyBat out of the way, and if he feels better and wants to come back for an official judging, I would be happy to share what I put together in this judging. Either way, I hope he feels better and comes back soon. Also, congrats and good luck to @yangx2 with the next round!

Now, if only there was any indication that the next round might involve bland daily drivers that will last far longer than you want them to, my day would really be made!

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We’ve had street racing challenges in the past; are they in violation of discourse rules as well?

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way to go, you’ve just admitted to taking advantage of the original host’s anxiety and mental health issues to position yourself as the “saviour” in order to get recognition

sometimes I think we’ve really forgotten this is a video game community and we do this for fun. get over yourself lol

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Didn’t you enter HNC? Which was also illegal highway racing

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Not the ones I’ve seen, but they didn’t just ask, blatantly, and OOC, what one’s favorite illegal activity was. They focused on cars and their performance, not specifically how they inconvenienced/threatened bystanders.

Illegal street racing has always inconvenienced bystanders; it’s a given, it doesn’t have to be said explicitly, so I don’t get what kind of point you’re making…

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I think OldManBuick was more referring to the fact he delivered results in rather timely manner and received less-than-pleasant feedback on it.

It’s not about being a saviour (or pretending to be one) as much as it was about giving challenge a conclusion, so we can continue having fun with this format.

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Yes, fun, which unfinished contests aren’t. Contest completion and reviews are as essential to contests as cars, and in far shorter supply. That makes @oldmanbuick 's contributions, in their availability and quality alike, especially valuable.

This is not meant to belittle the original host’s efforts and troubles. Many of us were surprised by the workload of hosting the first time too. It happens, and praise to OMB for helping with the cleanup when it does. I see no ulterior motive on their part.

My stink raised at the poll isn’t big enough to pursue. Carry on.

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I think both are fun concepts for a challenge. Should one take part in them in real life? Obviously not. But we have challenges based off of all sorts of illegal and dangerous topics on here so why should one based off of street takeovers or cutting up be so scrutinized?

Also the “concise” statement was a lighthearted joke, it’s not that deep lmao

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Also, how about showing some appreciation for someone who - for at least the third time - stepped up to take over a stagnating instance of a challenge whose defining traits are Quickness and brief reviews?

To clarify, I do absolutely appreciate @oldmanbuick for pushing things forward and committing to expediting what has, I agree, stagnated for a month and I apologize if my comments have come off in any ill manner. I understand that the intention of QFC is to run a challenge with a quick turnaround in place of CSR and whatnot and they have done that. It’s a bit of a change of convention for me to not see a prelim round before the finals but if that’s the host’s decision as it was here, in the end I respect it for what it is. It’s only a game after all.

Both activites are not only illegal - promoting which may be a violation of Discourse rules - but also, more importantly, dangerous and wrong. As someone who has no problem ignoring speed limits on unpopulated roads, I condemn both “cutting up” and “street takeovers” as they interfere with other people, and boycott the vote. Phrase it a different way, at the very least.

I should make it very very clear that I very much don’t condone either activity and will make this very clear wherever the brief goes. Satire will be the name of the game with either-or, and my intention was always to explicitly condemn either activity before I even dived into the challenge requirements.

However, while I understand the sentiment, one of my favourite parts of these challenges is their ways of exploring every single corner of car culture, even the absolute ugliest of it. Challenges have encompassed everything from obnoxious YouTubers, cars for Miami drug lords, the “Karen” driver archetype and many more during my 5-year hiatus from the game, and as awful as takeovers and whitelining is, there’s some fun in making the exact stereotypical car they would pick for the situation.

Why do the people who endanger everyone in traffic frequently choose M cars, Uruses, AMGs; why is takeover culture full of VQ Nissans, Mustangs, so on? And what creative cars can the Automationverse come up with based on the running stereotypes of these subcultures? That’s what I love seeing in so many of these challenges. The person buying the car is always an important context and many times the nature of the subcultures they are part of really helps narrow down the exact kind of car that they want.

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Point taken. I’d be an incredible hypocrite for condemning a contest that heavily involved illegal activity, I just took issue with how it was phrased as “what’s your favorite activity” as opposed to “what scenario would you prefer to build a car for”. It’s not a big deal. Sounds like a couple of misunderstandings are now cleared up. Let’s carry on.

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Ahhh that. I type recreationally with zero brain drive and things like that end up getting lost in translation.

Understood and updated.

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My comment was not meant to diminish oldmanbuick’s work for the judging, I have no qualms with that given that it’s what the community wanted and I certainly respect the efforts

However, describing it as a challenge that was “languishing” despite knowing what the original host is going through makes it seem like there was a lack of effort on their part

This, plus getting salty at two relatively minor comments, one of which can be said is really just stating the obvious (and there’s nothing wrong with concise reviews), makes it hard for me to believe there’s no ulterior motive here, whether that’s fully intended or not

Well, you’re completely right that we are doing this just for fun. That could also be seen as a reason why when continous challenge series are getting stuck, it’s better to just accept unconventional solutions to make the show go on. This is said by someone that F…ed up a challenge (not a continous one though, thank god) and that didn’t dare to visit the forums for almost two years after that, so I really know what it is like to be at that end too. Also, I “saved” TMCC on my own initiative once when there were nobody willing to host the next round, felt a bit controversial but in the end I think everyone appreciated it, so I also know that part of the story. Of course I would have preferred if ShinyBat had been able to solve this, I think we all had, including Oldmanbuick, but life always has priority over a videogame that is, as you say, “just for fun”. When people are actually waiting for the next part, especially in QFC, this was one way to solve it, should we really read too much into it then?

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I’m relieved to see this QFC finally end - but although both poll options for the next QFC are about illegal activities, I’d be happy with either one being chosen for the theme.

so lane splitting or donuts?

I’m down for highway racing! (Lane splitting)